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New here so hopefully I'm posting in the right place.

I've just started having a problem with a toilet we had professional installed and wanted to get a second opinion on whether it was installed correctly or not.

So we had a toilet with an integrated sink and concealed cistern installed 6 months ago (pictured below).

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I came into the bathroom earlier and there was a small bit of water on the floor but thought nothing of it as I assumed the sink had just spilled a bit. When it came to flushing the toilet, all of the water came out of the bottom of the back unit and nothing went into the actual toilet. For the first time since getting the toilet installed, I removed the front panel to have a look and the cistern was no longer connected to the toilet.

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I've attempted a crude side view diagram below of how it looks to have been installed but the main thing I noticed was that the cistern was hanging off of a bit of wood with just two screws and when full, the weight of the cistern was causing it to lean back and pull the pipe away from the toilet unit.

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(In the third picture, my finger fits without moving the cistern)


I've spoken to the people to installed it briefly and sent pictures and their immediate response was that it has been 6 months so it couldn’t have been an installation problem so they want me to pay £45 for them to come out to have a look plus whatever it costs to repair it. In my (very unqualified view) it seems that the way it has been installed, it was always doomed to fail at some point because the cistern will always be attempting to pull the pipe away from the toilet. Am I right in thinking the cistern should have been installed in a way that does not put any unnecessary force on the joint or is this a standard way for these to be installed? I'm worried that if they just reattach it as is, I’m going to have to get someone else out every 6 months to reconnected it (or give it a go myself)

Thanks in advance for any comments! Happy to provide any extra pictures/information if needed!

Mike
 
Common issue that effects most of that type of cistern I glue / screw a piece of timber to the wall or an off cut of waste pipe so the cistern won’t move and is level / plumb
 
Using a wooden baton at the top is common practice but an experiance fitter would had put an addional spacer at the bottom to prevent your problem, especialy with a light weight plastic cistern.
 
Thanks for the replies.

It sounds like a common problem with this kind of installation then so I guess the question now is, should the installer be responsible for fixing this issue or is this something I should be expected to pay for fixing? It leaves a sour taste in my mouth that the toilet has been installed for less than 6 months and the installer is claiming it isn't their problem because in their words "it could have been knocked" (it wasn't) or "it could have been flushed too much or too hard" (surely a fit for purpose toilet install should be able to flush for years without issue?) so its a maintainence/wear and tear issue
 
How can it be knocked if it is all concealed and words fail me for them to say it must of been flushed too much or too hard!
I wouldnt let them come back.
 
My opinion yes but he will say manufacturing/ design issue
 
Don't think I'd trust them to fix it . . .

Strike a deal with them to fix it yourself for £45 from them (cheap) in return for you not posting bad reviews? (Sure you won't get the cash though)

Cheers,

Roy (Amateur)
 
Unfortunately this is a common occurrence customers love everything hidden, installers hate em because there's often problems extra timber and support is needed to prevent movement when the toilet is flushed and from use, a 15 stone man plonking down and twisting on the toilet will cause issues if not fixed securely even the best of us get problems I replaced a flush cone recently on one of my installs the one supplied leaked but not straight away ?? a week later after use, you address the problem before any lasting damage is done 👍. Kop
 

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I would call it installer error.
Maybe from inexperience, but any of us who have fitted a few of these knows to address the possibility of the issue you have had.
I’m in the gang that screws a piece of ply that extends down to near the bottom of the cistern, this supports it and stops it moving back.
I think they should address the issue foc.
However if you supplied the goods rather than them it becomes a bit more blurry, in which case you should maybe expect to pay a small fee…
 

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