Any Worcester Bosch installers on here?

[Truman]

I'm looking at the following WB combi boilers - 28CDi Compact and 30Si Compact, both seem similar dimensions. Other than the output, what are the notable differences between these 2 models - the CDi and Si? There's only 2 boilers in the Si range, so I'm wondering why the don't form part of the CDi compact product range.

Oh, and are there any pitfalls to choosing this model over the larger 'classic' WB combis? Size is at a premium which is why I'm looking at the compact range.

 

[village idiot]

Yes there are WB installers on here. Would you like one of them to contact you and answer all your questions, then fit the boiler?

 

[LPC]

My opinion, avoid the compacts. They are a mass of plastic and I rue the day I fitted a few. If you must have WB then have a CDi Classic.

 

[Nostrum]

My opinion, avoid the compacts. They are a mass of plastic and I rue the day I fitted a few. If you must have WB then have a CDi Classic.

Also agree with this, not a fan of WB but the classic is te best of the bunch by a long way.

 

[IDCHAPPY]

Go for a vaillant

 

[Leo21]

Go for a vaillant

Ill second that, wb,s are piles of plastic.

 

[gasmanrob]

Must bite tongue...

 

[Paul - PDS]

Go for a vaillant

+1 - Vaillants are much better

 

[village idiot]

Must bite tongue...

......might hurt

 

[Ermintrude]

He said he was limited on space and you nuggets said valliant? Hello ideal logic plus.

Ideal logic plus is the best compact boiler in the world . Anyone who can offer a more reliable all metallic hydroblock and condensing boiler im all ears. I mean reliability over 7 years! Not the 3 you get out if a green star before it leaks or the fan dies!

 

[IDCHAPPY]

He said he was limited on space and you nuggets said valliant? Hello ideal logic plus.

Ideal logic plus is the best compact boiler in the world . Anyone who can offer a more reliable all metallic hydroblock and condensing boiler im all ears. I mean reliability over 7 years! Not the 3 you get out if a green star before it leaks or the fan dies!

You work for Ideal don't you mate? come'on fess up

 

[mfgs]

He said he was limited on space and you nuggets said valliant? Hello ideal logic plus.

Ideal logic plus is the best compact boiler in the world . Anyone who can offer a more reliable all metallic hydroblock and condensing boiler im all ears. I mean reliability over 7 years! Not the 3 you get out if a green star before it leaks or the fan dies!

Hard to judge the real reliability of the WB compacts due to the fact they are very new, but so far have no known issues. The ideals had a bad batch of heat exchangers within the first year and who knows what else to follow? I'm hearing a fair few diverters are beginning to fail on them. The Worcester warranty will definitely be honoured, not sure the ideal one will. Most manufacturers look for a get out clause rather than trying to fix the boiler should it go wrong.

 

[Ermintrude]

The pin hole hex was under wazza and less than 5% diverter ............. Clean system. Fitted hundreds literally and not had one. Had a few flow turbines and one fan. - obviously don't get all repairs as some custards call ideal direct. Oh and the early filling loop check valves stick but replace them on annual service foc.

All of Worcester's plastic boilers pin hole, the CDI air vents fail and the kebabs never last.

 

[Ermintrude]

You work for Ideal don't you mate? come'on fess up

Ideal and Baxi. I'm a ***** ! I like a valliant and also one worcester . CDI classic regular. (Heat only)

 

[Nostrum]

Hard to judge the real reliability of the WB compacts due to the fact they are very new, but so far have no known issues. The ideals had a bad batch of heat exchangers within the first year and who knows what else to follow? I'm hearing a fair few diverters are beginning to fail on them. The Worcester warranty will definitely be honoured, not sure the ideal one will. Most manufacturers look for a get out clause rather than trying to fix the boiler should it go wrong.

Die hard Worcester puppet alert.

 

[village idiot]

Hard to judge the real reliability of the WB compacts due to the fact they are very new, but so far have no known issues. The ideals had a bad batch of heat exchangers within the first year and who knows what else to follow? I'm hearing a fair few diverters are beginning to fail on them. The Worcester warranty will definitely be honoured, not sure the ideal one will. Most manufacturers look for a get out clause rather than trying to fix the boiler should it go wrong.

Have had no problems with them so far? OK, one custard had a diverter valve problem. It was replaced by Ideal agent so I'm not sure what you mean by they will not honor the warranty?

 

[IDCHAPPY]

There maybe handbags ahead.... But while there's music and moonlight and love and romance
Let's face the music and dance

 

[mfgs]

Die hard Worcester puppet alert.

I am a big Worcester fan, not puppet. I like to recommend and fit boilers that cause me no issues so to help maintain my reputation, since working for myself I have had one issue with a boiler in 3 years. Before that I worked for a small company that fitted about 100 or so a year and again next to no issues. Had a couple fans go and a few of the plastic hydroblocks pinholed on the earlier models, that was about it. That good enough for me to have the confidence to recommend them to customers and all of them have been happy. A name they trust, the best back up service of any manufacturer on the rare occasion of any issue and good performance.

Every individual will have there own preference based on the own personal experience, my experience of Worcesters is that they are brilliant boilers.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

go for a baxi duotec HEA they have a seven year warranty and are a proper British boiler ,unlike the worcester they have a stainless steel heat exchanger not prone to failing aluminium silicate type and have solid brass componants not plastic,baxi also unlike vailant dont cost a fortune when they go wrong as every boiler will from time to time,vailant will rip you big style on spares,as for ideal google isar and icos

 

[Leo21]

I am a big Worcester fan, not puppet. I like to recommend and fit boilers that cause me no issues so to help maintain my reputation, since working for myself I have had one issue with a boiler in 3 years. Before that I worked for a small company that fitted about 100 or so a year and again next to no issues. Had a couple fans go and a few of the plastic hydroblocks pinholed on the earlier models, that was about it. That good enough for me to have the confidence to recommend them to customers and all of them have been happy. A name they trust, the best back up service of any manufacturer on the rare occasion of any issue and good performance.

Every individual will have there own preference based on the own personal experience, my experience of Worcesters is that they are brilliant boilers.

(Dislike... Dislike.....dislike)

 

[Ermintrude]

go for a baxi duotec HEA they have a seven year warranty and are a proper British boiler ,unlike the worcester they have a stainless steel heat exchanger not prone to failing aluminium silicate type and have solid brass componants not plastic,baxi also unlike vailant dont cost a fortune when they go wrong as every boiler will from time to time,vailant will rip you big style on spares,as for ideal google isar and icos

But Gas man icos and isar are different babies? Let us not forget solo, all of the GA range - produced by Baxi! 14,000 bad reviews of neta tec GA, duotec GA ? ! The ideal logic is genuinely a nice boiler I have fitted two in the last month but 15 odd duotec HE . So I do love the duo but the logic has it's place and when the money is right it's 15odd logics and two platinums - pretty much what happened when GA started to get worse and worse.

can we all agree that no one should be fitting a heat line or a biasi?

 

[AssuredHeating]

The compact CDi and the compact SI are both the same boiler, same case.

The central heating output on these boilers is only 24kw, whichever Compact you choose, so depending on how many rads you have you may need a bigger central heating output and would possible have to go for the CDi Classic boiler.

The difference with these boilers is the hot water flow rate. If you test your incoming cold main then you will be able to gauge which boiler will suit your property.

We are on track to fit 120 Worcester's this year, I would not fit anything else.

 

[Chalked]

Bet the OP is more confused now.

might just go for a portable "super ser" or some big gloves!:6:

 

[Truman]

Bet the OP is more confused now.

might just go for a portable "super ser" or some big gloves!:6:

Yep, more confused than ever. I'd have probably gone for the Baxi duotec HE but it's a bit on the large size. The Viessmann 100W is smaller, without being a 'compact' model, perhaps I could live with the pump over run after all. But go on, tell me what's wrong with Viessmanns please as it would be rude to leave them out of this thread!

Oh, and I've read about the Worcester Bosch Juniors having problems, but is this also true of the Compacts? Space isn't big enough for a Classic unfortunately.

 

[happyflyer]

What does Worcester think of all this, I hate Worcester, I have had one in for 4 years and not a squeak, hell I am sorry I said that according to you lads, its going to fall in bits. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

 

[Leo21]

What does Worcester think of all this, I hate Worcester, I have had one in for 4 years and not a squeak, hell I am sorry I said that according to you lads, its going to fall in bits. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

Worcestor doesn't care what we think. They are a clever company, I don't know of any other who advertise so much.
They,re not bad boilers, but no where near as good as they'd have you believe. Worcestors are marmite boilers.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

I'm looking at the following WB combi boilers - 28CDi Compact and 30Si Compact, both seem similar dimensions. Other than the output, what are the notable differences between these 2 models - the CDi and Si? There's only 2 boilers in the Si range, so I'm wondering why the don't form part of the CDi compact product range.

Oh, and are there any pitfalls to choosing this model over the larger 'classic' WB combis? Size is at a premium which is why I'm looking at the compact range.

fitted lots all good , if you want the best then get a wb boiler .you dont just get a boiler you will get 8 years guarantee if we install it

 

[Leo21]

fitted lots all good , if you want the best then get a wb boiler .you dont just get a boiler you will get 8 years guarantee if we install it

Alright Stan. I knew you'd sniff this thread out.

 

[happyflyer]

fitted lots all good , if you want the best then get a wb boiler .you dont just get a boiler you will get 8 years guarantee if we install it

If I came on here as a complete novice I wouldn't know who the hell to believe, my BosterWosh is great, I'm with you gassafe, where does the 8 years come from, is that new.

 

[sheff paul]

fitted lots all good , if you want the best then get a wb boiler .you dont just get a boiler you will get 8 years guarantee if we install it

Stan do you think you ought to be doing Ketamine midweek!

 

[happyflyer]

Stan do you think you ought to be doing Ketamine midweek!

Paul,

Is he winding us old gits up who can't pass GSR, surely not looking at his photo, butter would melt in his mouth, I would trust him with my Bosterwosh

 

[sheff paul]

Paul,

Is he winding us old gits up who can't pass GSR, surely not looking at his photo, butter would melt in his mouth, I would trust him with my Bosterwosh

all this Worcestor talk is giving me a funny turn,i am flicking back onto my favourite dogging site...

 

[PlumbersMate]

The compact CDi and the compact SI are both the same boiler, same case.

The central heating output on these boilers is only 24kw, whichever Compact you choose, so depending on how many rads you have you may need a bigger central heating output and would possible have to go for the CDi Classic boiler.

The difference with these boilers is the hot water flow rate. If you test your incoming cold main then you will be able to gauge which boiler will suit your property.

We are on track to fit 120 Worcester's this year, I would not fit anything else.

120 boilers? You must be a millionaire?

 

[Destroyer2813]

If I came on here as a complete novice I wouldn't know who the hell to believe, my BosterWosh is great, I'm with you gassafe, where does the 8 years come from, is that new.

5 Years standard accredited add 2 years fit Worcester filter add another year but the filters pants

 

[SafeGasInstall]

Target 1st year done : now registering for silver
target year two is to go over 50 boilers and become GOLD
furure is bright when you are from another planet lol

 

[happyflyer]

Worcester must be doing something right if someone is installing 120 a year, if there was something wrong with them no one would do that, maybe you chaps who don't like them are not fitting them correctly that's why they are failing, undersized and working their nuts off, AssuredHeating and SafeGas are sizing their system spot on., my boiler isn't under sized, its on low fire when the systems up to temp. It's only a thought, what really is everybody's problem with WB, lets not be generic about it, what falls off and what fails on a WB, surely all boiler parts fail sometime are you saying WB have more failures, some parts they don't even make, can we get to the bottom of this cause I am intrigued some keep slating WB, is it price really.

 

[SafeGasInstall]

I fit WB mainly cos I don't get any call backs and there customer service is as good as john lewis ! I work in London only and customers are happy with there boilers . What more can you ask for !?
I am not making things up or trying to boost there sells , just saying what helps me to build my business .

 

[IDCHAPPY]

Alright Stan. I knew you'd sniff this thread out.

Frankly, I'm shocked it took him so long :lol:

 

[Irish]

I fit WB mainly cos I don't get any call backs and there customer service is as good as john lewis ! I work in London only and customers are happy with there boilers . What more can you ask for !?
I am not making things up or trying to boost there sells , just saying what helps me to build my business .

How many of their boilers do you have to fit to become a registered installer stan?

 

[SafeGasInstall]

To start 12 before they take you on or have a reasonable customer base and good potential for business grow

 

[Leo21]

Worcester must be doing something right if someone is installing 120 a year, if there was something wrong with them no one would do that, maybe you chaps who don't like them are not fitting them correctly that's why they are failing, undersized and working their nuts off, AssuredHeating and SafeGas are sizing their system spot on., my boiler isn't under sized, its on low fire when the systems up to temp. It's only a thought, what really is everybody's problem with WB, lets not be generic about it, what falls off and what fails on a WB, surely all boiler parts fail sometime are you saying WB have more failures, some parts they don't even make, can we get to the bottom of this cause I am intrigued some keep slating WB, is it price really.

Im definately not fitting them correctly, I don't fit them. Because I don't like the way you have to fit so many to get a decent warranty. If the Cust wants a Worcestor they'll just choose the guy with the most warranty.
I,ve never liked the way they put them together, some of them are pigs to get to bits. Diverters at the back or behind plate hex,s or above the electronics!
"because were not fitting them right" cheeky git.

 

[happyflyer]

Leo,


You missed off the OLD "Cheeky old git" I knew someone would have a pop at an old engineer. It will be interesting to see if other lads have the same slant on it as you, warranty tied up to numbers you buy, bit strange company policy that, BTW I did say fitting them under size and working their nuts off, I am certain if you are GSR you will fit them to the WB installation guide and to your good practices, I have no doubt of that Leo.

 

[happyflyer]

BTW I spoke to John Guest engineer once about a project I had to go and look at with leaks on their push-fit fitting, he said they don't
make faulty fitting, they are just installed incorrectly

 

[Leo21]

Leo,


You missed off the OLD "Cheeky old git" I knew someone would have a pop at an old engineer. It will be interesting to see if other lads have the same slant on it as you, warranty tied up to numbers you buy, bit strange company policy that, BTW I did say fitting them under size and working their nuts off, I am certain if you are GSR you will fit them to the WB installation guide and to your good practices, I have no doubt of that Leo.

Cracking response. You old git

 

[happyflyer]

Leo,

I am Ugly too which is a bonus when your eyesight is going, but I'll bet I could still hang a boiler on the wall it would be straight and level and I would be allow to do that!! Buy it from B&Q....:asshole:

 

[buckley plumb]

Worcester must be doing something right if someone is installing 120 a year, if there was something wrong with them no one would do that, maybe you chaps who don't like them are not fitting them correctly that's why they are failing, undersized and working their nuts off, AssuredHeating and SafeGas are sizing their system spot on., my boiler isn't under sized, its on low fire when the systems up to temp. It's only a thought, what really is everybody's problem with WB, lets not be generic about it, what falls off and what fails on a WB, surely all boiler parts fail sometime are you saying WB have more failures, some parts they don't even make, can we get to the bottom of this cause I am intrigued some keep slating WB, is it price really.

the extra price you pay for them covers the engineer in every town . not te best boiler but he aftr sales service I good but you pay for that when you buy one.

 

[Ch4 plumbing]

the extra price you pay for them covers the engineer in every town . not te best boiler but he aftr sales service I good but you pay for that when you buy one.

Id agree with that statement BP.

 

[Leo21]

the extra price you pay for them covers the engineer in every town . not te best boiler but he aftr sales service I good but you pay for that when you buy one.

And I thought I knew you Anthony. How could you, with Worcestors off all things!

 

[happyflyer]

Leo,

I can't get my head around the Worcester policy, the more boilers you install the better the warranty deal for the client, how does that accurately work or have I got the wrong end of the stick.

Buckley, how much more do you pay for a WB over and above any other boiler.

I know that the custards don't think of it this way if a boiler had to be replaced every three years it would still be cheap, if you change your car every three years they always want about £8000.00 off you for the swap.

 

[buckley plumb]

Leo,

I can't get my head around the Worcester policy, the more boilers you install the better the warranty deal for the client, how does that accurately work or have I got the wrong end of the stick.

Buckley, how much more do you pay for a WB over and above any other boiler.

I know that the custards don't think of it this way if a boiler had to be replaced every three years it would still be cheap, if you change your car every three years they always want about £8000.00 off you for the swap.

think the Worcester junior is about £180 more than baxi and the cdi £300 more