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Hi there,

A quick back story - we called in a local plumber to replace 3 rads upstairs, and to perform a power flush as the downastairs rads were taking around 1.5hrs to heat up after putting the central heating on. We moved into our property in 2k and have always had this issue with the downstairs rads.

They came in, replaced the rads, power flushed the system, turned on the central heating and the downstairs rads failed to heat - I mean stone cold - none of the flow and return pipes were warm.

They came in a few days later as they said it must be a blockage in the pipework somewhere. They cut out a couple of tee sections, one downstairs near the flow/return in the kitchen, and one upstairs on the landing. They fired up the boiler, and the downstairs rads came on. However the chap working on it said he wasn't happy with the heat being produced so cut out another tee section, just outside the dining room. In the meantime the owner arrived, and proceeded to remove redundant pipework from upstairs (our old immersion tank central heating system was replaced by a condensing combi boiler around 4 years ago). When they once again refilled the system and put on the central heating none of the rads downstairs came on.

The owner returned around a week later as he said there was probably something wrong with the boiler - he cleaned something in it (I can't recall what), but this didn't work. He then said it was more than likely the heat plate exchange for the central heating, which would literally mean a new boiler, or replace all the pipework in the house.

My wife and I discussed this, then she asked him to return to discuss further. Another week later he returned, and unbelievably the heating came on for the first time in over 3 weeks (sods law - I'd been turning rads on one by one, sometimes 2 on/2 off, all sorts of combinations, so I'm guessing it dislodged something?), but it only ever came on the day he came to discuss the boiler/pipe replacement issue - since then nothing.

We've now received a quote for £1.7k to replace the pipework, or if we don't we'll have to pay £350 for the investigative work for the heating not coming on downstairs.

My question is - is this normal? Can a plumber come to perform a job and leave a household in a worse position than when they came, and then charge extra to remedy what they initially messed up? Or is this something to be expected with work of this type? Are we allowed to complain to anyone?

We're now in a position of having to look for the money to get the pipework done, but would like some advice before making our decision.

Sorry for the long post - any advice offered would be greatly appreciated!
 
You have a non-obvious kind of problem. The plumbers have spent time and effort trying to resolve it with some success at least. Should they work and supply materials for free?

As I read it, they've offered you a price to rectify, in which case they're waiving the cost of investigative work. Or, if you choose not to have the job done then they're asking to be paid for time spent thus far. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me...
 
When they returned the first time, did they try shutting off the upstairs rads before adjusting the pipework? If the downstairs rads always got warm then they should still get warm with new rads upstairs. Are the new rads a lot bigger?
 
Thanks Masood for your reply. I understand what you say about working for free, but the fact is that our heating worked (albeit inefficiently) before they came and replaced 3 rads and flushed the system out. When they left we had - and still have - 2 stonecold downstairs rads. The Plumber said we wouldn't be charged for the day they came back and investigated but has now gone back on his word.
 
Thanks for your reply walterwhite. I'm sure they did. The 3 rads that were replaced were single finned - the replacements are double finned but roughly the same size in length. Our plumber was saying we have old 15mm pipework throughout the house, and it shoud be 22mm.

What I can't get my head around is that one time the owner came round and the rads downstairs came on - boiling hot flow and return pipes (I did have one of the new bigger rads turned off at the time). Nothing since then. I'm thinking that the powerflush has made a pipework issue worse instead of better, but I'm not a professional so have to take their word for it.

What's even more dissapointing however, is that the owner doesn't actually know what the issue is. So we're faced with the prospect of paying £1.7k for work that may not even fix the problem they caused (and cause it they did - the heating may not have been efficient before they arived, but it was working). That doesn't seem fair to me.
 
Also, if all rads upstairs are turned off the downstairs still doesn't come on. Actually, over the last couple days the downstairs one in the hallway has started to come on - not boiling hot, but on. It's really the ones in the lounge and dining room that are stone cold :confused5:.
 
Why not get a second opinion from a local company. Or put an ad here...[DLMURL="http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/im-looking-plumber-gas-engineer/"]I'm looking for a Plumber or Gas Engineer[/DLMURL]

Very difficult to say without being there to see the system but I'd be amazed if it's a major pipework issue. If it was micro bore pipework then it would've been more likely in my opinion.
 
Problem is...they've complicated it by altering pipework. I would have got it going as it was before, with rads downstairs not great & then quoted to look at pipework etc
 
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