Gas work notification

[Andy Dignall]

I've been out of the game for a couple of years after having surgery on my knees and am thinking of going back on the tools.

Is there still a legal requirement to register an installed appliance with corgi/gas safe for local building control and if so how many people actually use it. After speaking to fitters in my local area they seem to shun it of late since Capita gave the details of the installed appliance details to the inland revenue and most received fines for tax evasion

 

[E4gas]

I register all my boilers with gas safe , best of my knowledge it's a legal requirement . Customers all ways ask for it ,

 

[GasSafePR]

Andy

Sorry to be blunt but need to set the record straight on your post. Notifying appliances is a requirement under Building Regulations. You are notifying through Gas Safe Register, not to us (we are essentially acting as a postbox).

As for your second point, we operate the register on behalf of the HSE and we are legally obliged to respond to information requests from HMRC.

GasSafePR

 

[gasmarc]

Yes that sounds like a clever idea help maintain a massive data of all your customers so that boiler manufacturers , british gas etc can poach all your customers which is starting to happen now and to add insult to injury we pay for it what a joke. Regarding the HMRC i think thats a great way to catch people who are not paying tax

 

[justalex81]

i fully agree with catching people not paying tax. I

 

[Halesowen1]

Not paying the tax, means you are undercutting the honest ones. So I am another for the tax payers.

 

[gasmarc]

Its no surprise we get undercut because are out goings are much more compared to the bloke who doesnt have to pay anything out. I recently had a customer who told me he wanted a worcester or vaillant combi installed for a grand or less .I quickly educated him agreed a price that I was happy with and the guy started being pushy and I told him to go else where as he was being an idiot from the start and I could foresee agg getting paid

 

[oldsalty]

Andy

Sorry to be blunt but need to set the record straight on your post. Notifying appliances is a requirement under Building Regulations. You are notifying through Gas Safe Register, not to us (we are essentially acting as a postbox).

As for your second point, we operate the register on behalf of the HSE and we are legally obliged to respond to information requests from HMRC.

GasSafePR

Being blunt is OK but could you struggle to be honest as well, please. Recent dealings I have had with Gas Safe (and I have the emails if anybody wants to see them) demonstrates to me that Gas Safe is nothing more than a cash cow for the HSE. Government makes a law which lays down that nobody can work on domestic gas without having a gas safe engineer do the work. Government then sets up a register which charges for membership of that register so that the gas engineers the previous law made the legal obligation for consumers to use can be used. Training organisations (usually government sponsored and owned by politicians) can then set themselves up and charge an arm and a leg for courses to get qualified - Oh, and don't forget that everybody who gets qualified must then get themselves requalified every time the rules change.

And this applies to electricians as well as plumbers so the government is on a real good screw AND AT THE END OF IT ALL THE GAS SAFE REGISTER HAS ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY NOR AUTHORITY TO HELP OR ADVISE ANYBODY!

 

[Gordon T]

I thought this notification mallarky had died out? I know quite a few that dont do it now due to third parties getting customers information. Ive never known anyone being prosecuted either for not having it notified.

 

[Halesowen1]

[QUOTE And this applies to electricians as well as plumbers so the government is on a real good screw QUOTE]

No Plumbers dont have to have any qualification, nor experience, nor pay any association.

 

[oldsalty]

I was using the term 'plumber' in its generic sense since, it seems, most of the people who are on the Gas Safe Register advertise their services as 'Plumbers' and not 'Gas Safe Registered Combi Boiler (for example) Installation Person'. On further pondering one has to ask how long it will be before water (which after they have regulated Gas and Electricity installations/work to the hilt is the only thing that householders can deal with without having to have all sorts of expensive training, testing and retesting - or have to pay somebody an arm and a leg to 'maybe' turn up to do the job - and I have TWO recent examples where plumbers were booked and failed to turn up - without telling me they weren't going to be there) is found by some obscure government regulatory authority to be lethal (people die when they breathe it in in quantity - maybe we will all have to pass a swimming test to be able to qualify to be a 'Water Safe Registered Person') and that also will be regulated so that we householders will have to employ an expensive 'Water Safe Registered' 'plumber' (there goes that generic term again) to change a washer on our kitchen sink taps!

 

[Mike Jackson]

Once you understand the risks involved with hot and cold water systems it makes sense that plumbers should be registered as well as gas engineers. Do you know how to support a cold water storage system correctly? It may not seem a lot but last year there were a couple of deaths due to failed thermostats and incorrectly supported cold water storage cisterns. Do you know how to prevent the growth of legionella bacteria? Incorrect plumbing can help it to grow.

It's a shame that the government hasn't got the balls to legislate for a safer plumbing industry.

 

[johnnyplumb]

Once you understand the risks involved with hot and cold water systems it makes sense that plumbers should be registered as well as gas engineers. Do you know how to support a cold water storage system correctly? It may not seem a lot but last year there were a couple of deaths due to failed thermostats and incorrectly supported cold water storage cisterns. Do you know how to prevent the growth of legionella bacteria? Incorrect plumbing can help it to grow.

It's a shame that the government hasn't got the balls to legislate for a safer plumbing industry.

you got plenty cash then mike,are you not paying enough to all the other parasites already.

 

[oldsalty]

But Mike, it's NOT the legislation that is the problem with these schemes, it's the enforcement. I'm not a plumber (nor am I a Gas Safe Registered Person) but I am a Part P and 17th Edition qualified electrician who labours under the same onerous regulatory framework as a gas engineer. I came onto this forum to get advice regarding why the 'Gas Safe Registered Person' who I was obliged to employ (against a threat of a fine of GBP5000.00p if I didn't use a Gas Safe Registered Person) to instal my new combi boiler CANNOT be 'punished' by his regulatory body (the Gas Safe Register) nor by Building Control when he hasn't done the job properly. I have the evidence that the guy has broken the law in what he did but he CANNOT be held to account - and THAT, Mike, makes me ask the question 'what's the point of the Gas Safe Register (or any type of register) if somebody can get themselves registered but then can merely operate as a cowboy and be immune from prosecution - indeed the Gas Safe Registration people are busting a gut to protect the guy (maybe so they don't lose his membership payment next time around) - under the rules of that Registration body?' The Gas Safe Register have even said that despite what a registered member does, unless he is actually sent to jail (and only then if he tells them he is in jail!), THEY WILL NOT DE-REGISTER HIM TO PREVENT HIM DOING THE SAME TO OTHER HOUSEHOLDERS WHO HAVE NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO EMPLOY AN UNSUPERVISED, UNSCRUPULOUS, ABOVE THE LAW PROPERLY REGISTERED GAS SAFE PERSON - WHO HAS PAID HIS MEMBERSHIP FEE AND BOUGHT PROTECTION!

I forgot to mention that I am trying to get a petition onto the Government Website calling for the scrapping of the Gas Safe Register - because it has no legal authority to do anything apart from taking membership fees from its members (don't believe what I say, ask Megan Haigh at Gas Registration) - perhaps I would be wasting my time inviting you to join in and sign it, if it makes it?

 

[CES]

Just out of interest Oldsalty, what did he do that broke the law?