Boiler choice: Ideal or Vaillant

[Ivanwawryn]

I like all the vaillant a boilers, also Baxi 10 year warranty

 

[solutions]

Cos they're easy to install Is the Vogue system boiler as highly regarded as their combi's seems to be?

Yes, basicly the same boiler (unsurprisingly) just be aware there is no built in bypass on the system vogue.

 

[solutions]

Honestly I think you'd have to be absolutely mental to choose an Ideal over a Vaillant.

If money isn't an issue for the customer I would agree.

 

[solutions]

I think that globally, this is true. Ideal has been sold to the Groupe Atlantique, whose turnover is just shy of Euro 1 billion, whereas the Vaillant global turnover is about Euro 2.3 billion.

However, in terms of unit sales in the UK, my understanding is that Ideal have now displaced Vaillant as the No 2 boiler, behind Worcester.

Wow that's some interesting stats. But really we are comparing a Vailant boiler that has been around a while with some minor modifications and an ideal boiler that's fresh of the cad computer having clearly cloned the vailant. The next vailant will give them back the technological edge as soon as they start feeling the pinch of a competitors product outselling them, the designs they have tested and waiting in the wings will be launched and then ideal will take another 10 + years before deciding to clone another superior product. The winning features on the vogue are all things the vailant has and did first.

 

[Searcher2]

I know this is a 6 month old thread but I am trying to decide between a Vaillant Ecotec Pro/Plus or an Ideal Logic+/Vogue. The bloke I am waiting for prices on for Vaillants reckons he can give 7 year warranty on the Pro and 10 on the Plus making it the same warranty as the Ideal Logic+ and Vogue.

At work today I asked a service engineer for our commercial boilers if he was familiar with domsetic boilers. He reckoned that there are less problems with the Pro than the Plus and also less with the Logic+ than the Vogues. I was surprised by his claims - though he had nothing to gain by giving me false info. He reckoned that the stainless steel exchanger was liable to warping on the Vogue. Has anyone similar experiences?

Looking around the net it seems that in the event of a problem Vaillant seem to be slower to respond than Ideal and maybe more liable to try to wriggle out of the warranty. Am I wrong here? I am looking for a reliable boiler anyway so hope not to have to call out.

Quietness is also important and Vaillant are the only boilers to be Quiet Mark registered. Is there really a noticeable difference though?

Thanks in advance...

 

[julesverne]

Stainless steel heat exchangers prone to warping what tosh.
Vaillant also use stainless steel heat exchangers same as vogue.

From my experience only ever fitted 1 vaillant and it was ok but cant give a better report as ive not fitted enough to give an opinion on reliabilty.

Fitted loads of vogues and logics pluses and the vogue is superior.
Logics are a good boiler but without proper flushing and a good quality magnetic filter the diverter valve will fail. That said all new combis do that if not installed properly.

 

[erion]

Look into system boiler and cylinder it would be better for the future

 

[newcastle phill]

Regarding the noise aspect i have fitted both.
To my ear oddly the logic+ seemed the quieter but not a lot in it.0

 

[Searcher2]

Look into system boiler and cylinder it would be better for the future

Thanks... but no room for it. Well it may be possible but I think it would be a big job.

 

[Searcher2]

Regarding the noise aspect i have fitted both.
To my ear oddly the logic+ seemed the quieter but not a lot in it.0

I think the Logic+ has a lower DB rating on the specs but I hadn't seen anyone say it was quieter than the Vogue until now. Thanks

 

[newcastle phill]

Ahh vogue. Inwas referring to the logic+ Vs vaillaint

 

[Leo21]

What a load of. The pro and the plus are the same boilers apart from displays.

 

[PhoenixServices]

After spending years working for a company who mainly fitted glowworm and vailliant. I wouldn't fit one in my own home or in a customers unless they insisted.
Lost count of how many heat exchangers I flushed/ changed.

A lot of them were fitted by the company is was working for and were properly flushed with magnacleans fitted.
I fit logic+ and vogues as my choice.

 

[Silent Dancer]

Stainless steel heat exchangers prone to warping what tosh.
Vaillant also use stainless steel heat exchangers same as vogue.

From my experience only ever fitted 1 vaillant and it was ok but cant give a better report as ive not fitted enough to give an opinion on reliabilty.

Fitted loads of vogues and logics pluses and the vogue is superior.
Logics are a good boiler but without proper flushing and a good quality magnetic filter the diverter valve will fail. That said all new combis do that if not installed properly.

Stainless steel heat exchangers do warp when they're under or over pressure. That's why Vaillant have moved to a cast aluminium one on their new regular boilers.

 

[newcastle phill]

Cast alloy ones are cheaper and easier to produce.

Any metal will warp under certain circumstances