Intergas commissioning

[lame plumber]

No, it absolutely won't. Stop kidding yourself.

so how come the likes of Oz dont sell to the public, works ok there, the dear old french are very parochial in their methods, each trade getting permits for their area to work and everyone knows not to use fly by nights and expects a good service.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

so how come the likes of Oz dont sell to the public, works ok there, the dear old french are very parochial in their methods, each trade getting permits for their area to work and everyone knows not to use fly by nights and expects a good service.

because they would have to stop selling elecs and then they would go bust

 

[Ray Stafford]

so how come the likes of Oz dont sell to the public, works ok there, the dear old french are very parochial in their methods, each trade getting permits for their area to work and everyone knows not to use fly by nights and expects a good service.

When you say it "works" Lame, what do you mean? Sure, they enforce restrictive practices. But do they have less deaths through CO poisoning? Less hospitalisations per 1000 gas customers? Because if the body count isn't lower then its just the same as the old medieval guilds. And you will happy when you are not allowed to wire a plug, change your brake pads, or go up on a roof unless you are part of the "officially sanctioned mafia"?

I spent a long time recently talking to the countries leading campaigner on CO deaths. She doesn't even rate limiting sales of appliances as being on the scale of things that would reduce deaths.

And in the privacy of the Arms, and after 30 years in this industry, whilst I have seen horrors from non-registered engineers, I regret to say that I have seen more dangerous installs from so called "qualified" engineers.

 

[SimonG]

so how come the likes of Oz dont sell to the public, works ok there, the dear old french are very parochial in their methods, each trade getting permits for their area to work and everyone knows not to use fly by nights and expects a good service.

Canada is the same but they still have problems. Licenses and permits but still full of cowboys.

 

[village idiot]

No, it absolutely won't. Stop kidding yourself.

+1 here. With the advent of the internet, they will just buy the appliance online and someone on Utube will always be ''prepared to show them how it can be fitted''

 

[lame plumber]

All the problems I come across are by and large caused by diy or cowboy builders, if the cant purchase the gear they cant do the harm, as for not being able to do the elctrics etc, I would be happy to do the requisite training if required or as I normally do on big jobs, employ a sparky. One ladies opinion isnt always correct after all anyone can apply stats to suit their own needs.

 

[Ray Stafford]

All the problems I come across are by and large caused by diy or cowboy builders, if the cant purchase the gear they cant do the harm, as for not being able to do the elctrics etc, I would be happy to do the requisite training if required or as I normally do on big jobs, employ a sparky. One ladirs opinion isnt always correct after all anyone can apply stats to suit their own needs.

Jon, I'm sorry, but your utter ignorance of this subject is only matched by your lack of desire to correct it.

Of course this lady's opinion isn't guaranteed to be correct. She has only investigated in detail every single UK death from CO and gas explosion for the last 20 years. Every single one - including attending inquests, counselling the bereaved and recording the statistics. I am sure that your opinion is supported by equally thorough research? No? Well there's a surprise!

And you continue to make the most naive assumption of all. If the untrained DIY enthusiast is denied access to the proper materials, then off course he will immediately see the error if his ways, and retain the services of a qualified engineer. There is absolutely no chance that he will try to use garden hose in place of a cooker hose, or source 2nd hand parts via Ebay, to the still greater risk of his children, tenants and neighbours.

Please bear in mind that I run a trade only business, and it would be substantially to my business advantage if this sort of policy would help, but not only does it divert resources from more useful campaigns, but on its own, it would probably lead to more, not less deaths.

So can we please stop repeating this complete ********, and actually research the effing situation?

<sorry mods - just realised my last sentence set of the profanity filter>

 

[jtsplumbing]

So commenting on what you are saying then Ray, you only sell to the trade ! and you seam to make a living from it, But if business fell off would you be happy selling gas related products to Mr average knowing what could happen, and would it bother you ?

 

[lame plumber]

we can all agree and disagree as much as we like. But taken in its simplest form, reducing access to the means of diy repairs etc will help reduce issues. I never said it would stop it all together, but the one thing your lady doesnt account for that happens all the time is that the professionals out there are regularly coming across dangerous situations, resolving them and getting on with our daily toil. Your ladies stats have no way of taking that into account in any means or form hence why what you are spouting on about is also utter tripe. Please dont assume we are naive, we are the ones at the coalface preventing more deaths on a regular basis, my last one being a new customer who mentioned she wasnt feeling to good in the afternoons recently, turns out the builder who installed her fire didnt see the need to flue iaw mfis and she was getting co poisoning on a daily basis, proved with an air sample taked in here lounge. But the stupid thing was, she wouldnt let me know his name so the riddor process couldnt even be started as there was no one to chase. So I dont say you can eliminate the issues, but you can go a long way towards preventing them taken in its simplest form. After all, why else did government ban certain firearms if they didnt think it would have an effect on the number of deaths caused by illegal ones? For once Ray you may not be correct after all

 

[Ray Stafford]

So commenting on what you are saying then Ray, you only sell to the trade ! and you seam to make a living from it, But if business fell off would you be happy selling gas related products to Mr average knowing what could happen, and would it bother you ?

Very many of our sales are not to GSR engineers JTS. Housing associations, other merchants, MOD, government depts etc who represent no risk. Should the ethical issue ever arise, i would base my decision on actual evidence, not guesswork.