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Hi,

I've had an annual service contract with Worcester Bosch (WB) for 10 years. I've got a Greenstar ZWBR 7-25.

In March 2013 their Service Technician spent no more than 20 minutes inside of my home carrying out a full annual service. My father attended the service, as I was at work. When I found out the duration of his visit I was very angry. This contract costs me the best part of £200 each year. Amongst other things safety checks are meant to be carried out in this service.

The Technician left without issuing a service report, and this has not been received subsequently, despite more than 30 days elapsing since this visit.

I complained to WB, sending my mobile phone records that show the time and phone number of the Technicians call, when he announced he would arrive in "10 minutes". Then the record of my father’s call confirming that the Technician had finished and was outside in his van. I was able to accurately demonstrate to WB that the Technician could not have spent more than 20 minutes in my home.

I do not know why WB did this. My father is elderly and maybe looked like someone who would not notice that an improper service had been carried out.

After submitting the complaint email to WB explaining what had happened I received a phone call from the northern service manager. Nine days had elapsed between the email being sent and the first contact (other than their email receipt), this phone call. I do not think this length of time is acceptable for any complaint, let alone one where clearly an improper service, quite possibly skipping safety checks is the topic.

The Manager agreed that a proper service could not have been carried out in 20 minutes. He said that the Technician concerned was on holiday, but he would be taking up the matter with him upon his return. Apologies were given, and it was agreed that a return visit by another Technician was be made. This time I was assured he would carry out the service correctly. A time of 8am was set on the agreed date.

I waited in my house for the Technician to turn up. By 11am I phoned WB to see why he had not turned up. I was told, that although the visit was shown on their system no Technician had been assigned. Thus no one was going to attend. Why had I not been contacted before the visit to discuss this problem?

I asked for the name of the person next up the hierarchy of service management, this was not given on the basis that the WB employee manning their switchboard didn't know and couldn’t find out.

So I asked if a Technician could be redirected onto my job, given the circumstances. This was refused.

I tried contacting the northern service manager directly (remember he had previously called me using his own mobile, and told me it was ok to phone him if there were any problems) I got his answer phone, he was on holiday.

WB has placed an "urgent" priority on my follow up complaint, which I lodged today.

I will keep updating his thread. I believe this kind of behaviour needs to be publicised so that those interested in using or purchasing from WB can make informed decisions about this company.

I expect WB will eventually provide a correct service. But for me that’s not the point. There are wider implications to what they attempted to do.


I would appreciate any advice you could offer on how to deal with this situation:

1) 1) Has there been an attempt to defraud me?

2) 2) Are they in breach of legislation by consenting to carry out a service with safety checks, then attempting to mislead me when they didn’t actually carry out these checks?
3) Should I seek legal representation at this stage?
4) Is there an industry ombudsman I can turn to?


Regards
Paul
 
Re: Worc Bosch took 20 minutes for boiler "service". BEWARE - DID THEY SKIP SAFETY CH

Calm down dear

If all is working well, why not complete a service in 20 mins, what do you want, him to string it out just to make you feel better?

He must have looked inside the boiler, done an FGA and left. If its been well maintained over the last x years what else is there to do?
 
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Agreed. there is very little to do in servicing a modern WB boiler. A check of the safety valve and a clean of the condense trap, the FGA check tells the rest of the story, if it was outside of the limits as laid down in the manufaturers instructions then a full strip down and investigation would be called for.
 
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This is a WB Technician who works on WB boilers all day/week/year.
I assume the £200 gets more than just 1 visit if required plus a yearly service?
 
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Before deciding that 20minutes was insufficient I spent about an hour checking on various websites of independents who specialise in boiler servicing. I found that 45 minutes was a minimum.

In all of the 6 or so visits to my home that I personally attended it did in fact take 45 minutes or more to service my boiler.

And finally the WB northern service manager agreed that it was not possible to get through the checks WB prescribed for my boiler in 20 minutes.

I truly feel that this service was not done correctly for all of the above reasons.
 
Re: Worc Bosch took 20 minutes for boiler "service". BEWARE - DID THEY SKIP SAFETY CH

My contract also includes for replacement parts I believe.
 
Re: Worc Bosch took 20 minutes for boiler "service". BEWARE - DID THEY SKIP SAFETY CH

Hi,

I've had an annual service contract with Worcester Bosch (WB) for 10 years. I've got a Greenstar ZWBR 7-25.

In March 2013 their Service Technician spent no more than 20 minutes inside of my home carrying out a full annual service. My father attended the service, as I was at work. When I found out the duration of his visit I was very angry. This contract costs me the best part of £200 each year. Amongst other things safety checks are meant to be carried out in this service.

The Technician left without issuing a service report, and this has not been received subsequently, despite more than 30 days elapsing since this visit.

I complained to WB, sending my mobile phone records that show the time and phone number of the Technicians call, when he announced he would arrive in "10 minutes". Then the record of my father’s call confirming that the Technician had finished and was outside in his van. I was able to accurately demonstrate to WB that the Technician could not have spent more than 20 minutes in my home.

I do not know why WB did this. My father is elderly and maybe looked like someone who would not notice that an improper service had been carried out.

After submitting the complaint email to WB explaining what had happened I received a phone call from the northern service manager. Nine days had elapsed between the email being sent and the first contact (other than their email receipt), this phone call. I do not think this length of time is acceptable for any complaint, let alone one where clearly an improper service, quite possibly skipping safety checks is the topic.

The Manager agreed that a proper service could not have been carried out in 20 minutes. He said that the Technician concerned was on holiday, but he would be taking up the matter with him upon his return. Apologies were given, and it was agreed that a return visit by another Technician was be made. This time I was assured he would carry out the service correctly. A time of 8am was set on the agreed date.

I waited in my house for the Technician to turn up. By 11am I phoned WB to see why he had not turned up. I was told, that although the visit was shown on their system no Technician had been assigned. Thus no one was going to attend. Why had I not been contacted before the visit to discuss this problem?

I asked for the name of the person next up the hierarchy of service management, this was not given on the basis that the WB employee manning their switchboard didn't know and couldn’t find out.

So I asked if a Technician could be redirected onto my job, given the circumstances. This was refused.

I tried contacting the northern service manager directly (remember he had previously called me using his own mobile, and told me it was ok to phone him if there were any problems) I got his answer phone, he was on holiday.

WB has placed an "urgent" priority on my follow up complaint, which I lodged today.

I will keep updating his thread. I believe this kind of behaviour needs to be publicised so that those interested in using or purchasing from WB can make informed decisions about this company.

I expect WB will eventually provide a correct service. But for me that’s not the point. There are wider implications to what they attempted to do.


I would appreciate any advice you could offer on how to deal with this situation:

1) 1) Has there been an attempt to defraud me?

2) 2) Are they in breach of legislation by consenting to carry out a service with safety checks, then attempting to mislead me when they didn’t actually carry out these checks?
3) Should I seek legal representation at this stage?
4) Is there an industry ombudsman I can turn to?


Regards
Paul

As said if all was in tolerance fine, which i would expect if serviced every year, maybe the year before they were much longer and fitted a new electrode etc?

As for you treatment regards the follow up, thats poor for WB to be honest, they are usually top notch.....calm down and speak to a supervisor who will sort the issue amd "maybe" if you treat them as human and not threaten legal proceeding compensate you for your time etc....good luck

You dont drive a Land Rover do you?
 
Re: Worc Bosch took 20 minutes for boiler "service". BEWARE - DID THEY SKIP SAFETY CH

Just checked the MI's for that partiular model. they state -

"Check that the condensate trap and syphon are clear and clean, if necessary, by draining and refilling. Remove the yellow cap at the base of the siphon to drain. See Fig. 30.

Ensure that the system is full, vented and pressurised.
Check the inlet gas pressure and the maximum heat input. Refer to Table 1 and Section 7. If the gas rate has dropped by more than 5% from the specified figure then check the combustion performance of the appliance.

Connect a combustion test meter (to read CO2%)to the test point on the flue turret and operate the appliance at maximum input or 10 minutes. See Section 11. A CO2 reading of about 9.5±
0.2% should be achieved.

If the figures for the gas rate and the CO2 are not satisfactory then it will be necessary for the appliance flueways to be cleaned."

So yeah, 20 mins perfectly feasible, especially if he's at it all the time.
 
Re: Worc Bosch took 20 minutes for boiler "service". BEWARE - DID THEY SKIP SAFETY CH

Vern,

In previous visits there have been no parts to fit or faults to fix. I had an electrode fitted one. The services still took 45 minutes.

Although not part of the central heating indsutry I've 20years as a plant engineer with experience working with contractors on large industrial gas fired heating systems. I know a good and thorough, knowledgeable contractor when i meet one.

I have always been impressed with WB in those respects. Hence the continuance of the contract. Of course the recent problems appear to be down to one bad technician and a botched booking system.

But the point is that i paid for certain checks to be done to ensure the relaibility and safety of my combi. WB themselves admit this was not done in the last visit, hence the follow up visit, that failed.

I've sent two emails and made three phone calls to get to the stage i was at this morning. I have given them plenty of opportunity to rectify this situation. I don't think they are taking this seruiously, and i think it needs escalating.

No Land Rover I'm afraid.
 
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And if he carried out the checks, where is the service report?
 
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