Illegal hot water tank install

[TMHM]

Novice Q here, but why are gas-safe involved in a hot water tank, which I would have thought would be water (plumbing) rather than gas. Gas not being involved in a storage tank?


(never too old to learn )

 

[Welder]

Novice Q here, but why are gas-safe involved in a hot water tank, which I would have thought would be water (plumbing) rather than gas. Gas not being involved in a storage tank?


(never too old to learn )

The cynic in me says it's because it's simply a potential income stream

 

[king of pipes]

Hot water cylinders are notifiable to building control so if you have the relevant qualifications recognised by Gas safe, then you can self certify the installation meaning it is fitted to the manufacturers instructions , the benchmark has been completed and the warranty registerd Gas Safe will issue a certificate of compliance like this . Cheers kop

 

[TMHM]

When replacing a hot water tank, how many peeps notify BC. Maybe you should, but replacing an existing unit...... How many do?

 

[king of pipes]

The cynic in me says it's because it's simply a potential income stream

Hello Dave you ok mate explained that one ok bud ha ha but as you say its all a money making exercise, but on the other hand someone has to police it we all know for every cylinder registerd theres probably ten times more that dont . Cheers kop

 

[king of pipes]

When replacing a hot water tank, how many peeps notify BC. Maybe you should, but replacing an existing unit.... How many do?

Agreed but it causes problems if you should want to sell the property the solicitor will want to see that certificate of compliance and a paper trail back to the installer it helps to keep the installations to a certain standard, but many get fitted and forgot about as you say. Kop

 

[TMHM]

Agreed but it causes problems if you should want to sell the property the solicitor will want to see that certificate of compliance and a paper trail back to the installer it helps to keep the installations to a certain standard, but many get fitted and forgot about as you say. Kop

Lord help me here then, House is 60 years old and very little in the way of "certification". Whether work carried out "professionally" or by me.

 

[chris watkins]

Agreed but it causes problems if you should want to sell the property the solicitor will want to see that certificate of compliance and a paper trail back to the installer it helps to keep the installations to a certain standard, but many get fitted and forgot about as you say. Kop

Also ever tried making a warrantee claim on an unregistered cylinder (or for that matter a boiler).

I don't think householders realises that it is their responsibility as the owner to ensure work that requires notification is.

It is a shame a few more of them are prosecuted when this doesn't happen, it might make the rest think twice about employing those that can't or don't self certifier!!
It would also maybe encourage those who don't do things properly to do so.!!

 

[TMHM]

Also ever tried making a warrantee claim on an unregistered cylinder (or for that matter a boiler).

I don't think householders realises that it is their responsibility as the owner to ensure work that requires notification is.

It is a shame a few more of them are prosecuted when this doesn't happen, it might make the rest think twice about employing those that can't or don't self certifier!!
It would also maybe encourage those who don't do things properly to do so.!!

Without disagreeing, how many householders know all the intracasies of plummbing law, gas law, building regs, etc?
Is that not the reason to go to those that should?

 

[chris watkins]

Without disagreeing, how many householders know all the intracasies of plummbing law, gas law, building regs, etc?
Is that not the reason to go to those that should?

Absolutely, the problem as we know is anyone in this country can call themselves a Plumber so Joe public can't see the wood from the trees.

I did make the Law of the Land all I can tell you, & them, is that the first port of call for a prosecution for a breach of them is the property owner. And just saying I employed someone calling themselves a Plumber would not be seen as a defence on its own.

 

[TMHM]

Absolutely, the problem as we know is anyone in this country can call themselves a Plumber so Joe public can't see the wood from the trees.

I did make the Law of the Land all I can tell you, & them, is that the first port of call for a prosecution for a breach of them is the property owner. And just saying I employed someone calling themselves a Plumber would not be seen as a defence on its own.

you might find that if someone was trading as a plumber, they might be considered as an "expert".

 

[chris watkins]

you might find that if someone was trading as a plumber, they might be considered as an "expert".

They might very well be & then again they might be a 2 week wonder learning at as they go. Unfortunately they have no effective way of telling one from the other, hence all the problems in this industry.

 

[Aire]

They might very well be & then again they might be a 2 week wonder learning at as they go. Unfortunately they have no effective way of telling one from the other, hence all the problems in this industry.

Same with gas installers too, I have never once been asked to see my gas safe I.D card. Too many customers either don't care or are too trusting with taking the plumbers/engineers word.

 

[malx42]

“Someone suggested that if a house is sold the solicitor will want a complete chain of certification”. Being involved with two house purchases recently, this doesn’t seem to be the case. If there is any case of something missing then the vendors solicitor will arrange indemnity insurance, so that if building regs become aware of anything untoward, then the policy will pay to put things right. As long as you don’t dig too far and ask buildings regs before purchase about any probs you might suspect. Most old houses would have something not complying, if you dig too far and ask too many questions you couldn’t buy a house.

A friend sold her house and her solicitor got an indemnity insurance for the electrics. Presumably this is cheaper and easier to do then getting wiring inspected and faults fixed.

I will make a post entitled “fixed 2l per min underfloor leak” and detail some nasties I came across.

 

[Riley]

When replacing a hot water tank, how many peeps notify BC. Maybe you should, but replacing an existing unit.... How many do?

Those that do it properly