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jase158 said:
Thank you, might try that with local plumbers
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hope all goes well for you
 
GQuigley67 said:
you can get someone who would be able to do more than you for £100 a day though, £100 is too much
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I was working with a chap for a few weeks before i got NVQ and I was getting £100 a day for labouring, the other guys had a few years experience behind them but no formal qualifications and they were earning £200 a day.
 
Jase your perception of how things work are a bit off.
Most guys on here are 1 man bands or maybe up to 5 guys.
A 1 man band will hopefully fill his week but most likely not. The bigger ones who employ people will still struggle to fill the week to keep everyone busy unless they have contract work which even that can drop like a stone with little to no notice.
For the 1 man band, if things start getting too busy, he may just work 7 days a week or pass a bit work to someone he trusts. The bigger ones will offer overtime to the lads for a short time or get an agency in (if they are brave) but if it is continual then start someone. Sometimes it is better to knock the extra work back.
At one time i had 9 men with me and made less money than i do now. Things are not always as they seem.

Your best bet would be agency work or looking for a job with a big company.
 
jase158 said:
I was working with a chap for a few weeks before i got NVQ and I was getting £100 a day for labouring, the other guys had a few years experience behind them but no formal qualifications and they were earning £200 a day.
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Maybe in the boom times but those have long gone.

I often wonder where this idea of £200 a day comes from?
 
Just to clarify I am in Buckinghamshire, things are more expensive here for some reason (maybe because the PM lives here and quite a few famous people) prices are very similar to london prices.
Go 15 miles west and you pay 5p less on your fuel.
 
jase158 said:
But even good plumbers need to read the instructions every now and again.
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plumbing doesnt have instructions,
excepet for
NO LEAKS
 
congrat, to jase for this weeks hottest thread.lol

just a word here, my nephews working down in london at the moment with a mate of his doing ventilation. he is getting a £100 a day as he has never done it before only the last 2 weeks on this job.
he is a hairdresser!!!!!!!!, but it is his mate?.
 
The value of someone's work is extremely relative. If some guy trusts you, likes you, appreciates how you deal with customers, gets on with you at a personal level and thinks you work diligently and conscientously he may prefer you over somone far more experienced and skilled and pay accordingly (I've had the honour of such myself.) If he's busy and making good money - or happy to break even while he instead concentrates on building business in a certain area - he may pay over the odds too. But it's a lot of if's.

And so all we can really say is if we think it's a long-shot or not according to our experience of current times. Most people seem to think it's a big ask, some seem to disagree. Nothing wrong with going in high on a business deal. Problems is most business deals don't take place on a public forum surrounded by uninvolved third parties with personal interests and experience in the field. Was kind of asking for a lot noise.
 
theres no way on the planet i would pay anyone more that £300 a week regardless of who they are ,as ive had times were ive been lucky to get £700 a month even now am not getting much more than that, safe gas install has said he,ll help you so good luck to you but still think your livin in dreamland jase mate
 
I'm not a full time, work any hours type of plumber but it is my full time job, if that makes sense.

This year started well but the summer was not good.

Just done a calculation and in this financial year I've earned the grand sum of £183.16 per ...

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week

(That makes it about £36 a day or £4.88 an hour).

How I'd love to be on £75 a day, let alone more than this. I'm not complaining though, it's just the way things are at present.
 
Yeah but £36 a day for how many hours work? I guess an average of 1-2. So pro-rata you're onto a cushy number - with plenty of time left to go fishing, write the all american novel or post on a plumbing forum.
 
dontknowitall said:
I'm not a full time, work any hours type of plumber but it is my full time job, if that makes sense.

This year started well but the summer was not good.

Just done a calculation and in this financial year I've earned the grand sum of £183.16 per ...

week

(That makes it about £36 a day or £4.88 an hour).

How I'd love to be on £75 a day, let alone more than this. I'm not complaining though, it's just the way things are at present.
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this is the info people dont always see
 
WaterTight said:
Yeah but £36 a day for how many hours work? I guess an average of 1-2. So pro-rata you're onto a cushy number - with plenty of time left to go fishing, write the all american novel or post on a plumbing forum.
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Fair point!

344.6 direct working hours
At least 400 hours for travel, chatting to customers, "could you just jobs", etc

And, in case you're wondering
Charge to customer per hour: £31.51

Out of this I receive £26.11 per hour gross (labour plus profit on stock sold) (£31.51 minus travel time costs)
Taken down to £16.66 per hour after some costs e.g. motor and travel, advertising, sundries, etc, etc
This will come down further due to remaining costs not yet taken into account. For example, depreciation, office use, insurance, clothing, etc as they're calculated at the end of the year.

This takes the £16.66 down to say to around £10.80 per hour.

£10.80 x 7.5 = £81 per day
= £405 per week = £19,440 (48 weeks)

£19.5k is the maximum because we all have days where we're ill, family commitment, customer not in or cancelling at the last minute, delivery late, etc, etc.

I've not typed this to prove a point - just I've never worked out these figures before despite taking time to record the necessary information!
 
Point your missing is that any one who is busy enough to employ some one full time like you want would already have employed some one for less money as their work built up. If you think its that easy to provide someone with enough work aswell as your self full time then why don't you go self employed and with the 200 per day you think you can get employ someone your self to do the admin that you don't want to do?
 
Can i just point out a lil fact that I have noticed,
Below is a similar threads section, which has 4 helping hand threads,
1 has 4 replies and the other 3 have 0 replies,
The fact of the matter is that if I had said I will work for free, then you would of thought, oh not another one!!!
If I had asked for £50 a day I would of got a few good luck messages.
But because I asked for £100 a day a realistic amount that I need to survive on, suddenly everyone is outraged, "this person is trying to actually be sensible and ask for a sensible amount, how outrageous"
How many people who offer their services for free actually keep the job for longer then a few weeks.
Anybody who is older then 17/18 has got bills, they have food to buy and rent to pay.
For anybody living at home with parents that are not paying bills then fair play, working for free or for £40 a week is fair play and if you want to take advantage of this then fair play to you.
But this is not physically possible for me, I need Around £80-£100 a day to pay my bills and feed my family.
If you do not have a job or wish to pay this then fair play, thank you for looking. However I still hold great belief that there are people out there who are willing to pay this much.
Only time will tell.
 
davebigpipes said:
Point your missing is that any one who is busy enough to employ some one full time like you want would already have employed some one for less money as their work built up. If you think its that easy to provide someone with enough work aswell as your self full time then why don't you go self employed and with the 200 per day you think you can get employ someone your self to do the admin that you don't want to do?
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I do get the point, every body on here thinks that a Wet plumber is only worth £40 a day, thats £200 a week, I could earn more then that doing 40 hours at mcdonalds or at a warehouse, so no I don't believe it.
 
jase158 said:
I do get the point, every body on here thinks that a Wet plumber is only worth £40 a day, thats £200 a week, I could earn more then that doing 40 hours at mcdonalds or at a warehouse, so no I don't believe it.
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100M + wet plumbers £40 a day
100K + boiler bashers £100 a day
10K maybe, GOOD breakdown engineers £150 a day

supply and demand!
 
your bascially the equivelent to a 3rd or 4th year apprentice, you can do the wet stuff but not the advanced stuff, so your only going to get as much as what they get imho
 
This isn't Jase's fault. Genuinely it isn't, and as a father to a young family myself, I feel totally sorry for him.

He can't survive on £40 a day. I've had people work for me for free, and they're all either very young and still living at home or have the money to be able to not earn for a while.

This is the media, and the colleges telling lies.

Jase, I don't have any work for you....but wish you the best. My advice is to try and find your own work.
 
Maybe better registering with some of these
[DLMURL="http://www.agencycentral.co.uk/agencysearch/bypostcode.htm?IndustryFilter=construction&LocationID=London&x=106&y=21&ASB=1&MatchType=lookupbyname&MatchID="]Nearest Construction agencies to London[/DLMURL]

Agency work may not be great but it can be steady. No one will expect too much of you and generally it is do this do that stuff. It can be a good way to get experience of things you would never come across and learn.
 
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SimonJohns said:
100M + wet plumbers £40 a day
100K + boiler bashers £100 a day
10K maybe, GOOD breakdown engineers £150 a day

supply and demand!
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Supply 100,110,000 Plumbers
Demand 62,218,000 Population of uk

So thats 1.5 plumbers for each person in the uk

No wonder we are all struggling.
 
GQuigley67 said:
your bascially the equivelent to a 3rd or 4th year apprentice, you can do the wet stuff but not the advanced stuff, so your only going to get as much as what they get imho
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I agree but would a level 3/4 Apprentice have full driving license, own van, own insurance and own tools?

What I am saying is if you add up costs, like time spent training up, diesel, tools, extra materials fixing their mistakes, employers liability, would you be paying £80- £100 in total per day?
or would you be paying more like £50-£60 per day?
 
Jase if you register with the agencies, no matter what it is they ask, tell them you can do it or have done it. Normally the work would be short term cover and there will be other guys on the site who will keep you right. If you are half switched on you will learn quick.
 
jase158 said:
I agree but would a level 3/4 Apprentice have full driving license, own van, own insurance and own tools?
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what would be cheaper, supplying them with the above or paying someone who already has the above double the daily rate
 
agreed good advice from tamz, agency work is easy work, and its only short term.

im not entirely sure about apprenticeships jase but i believe you get some funding up here if your with SNIPEF, i dont know about the going rate down south is for plumbers but people up here are on £100-£120 a day, thats SE guys even less when your on the books.
 
dontknowitall said:
Fair point!

344.6 direct working hours
At least 400 hours for travel, chatting to customers, "could you just jobs", etc

And, in case you're wondering
Charge to customer per hour: £31.51

Out of this I receive £26.11 per hour gross (labour plus profit on stock sold) (£31.51 minus travel time costs)
Taken down to £16.66 per hour after some costs e.g. motor and travel, advertising, sundries, etc, etc
This will come down further due to remaining costs not yet taken into account. For example, depreciation, office use, insurance, clothing, etc as they're calculated at the end of the year.

This takes the £16.66 down to say to around £10.80 per hour.

£10.80 x 7.5 = £81 per day
= £405 per week = £19,440 (48 weeks)

£19.5k is the maximum because we all have days where we're ill, family commitment, customer not in or cancelling at the last minute, delivery late, etc, etc.

I've not typed this to prove a point - just I've never worked out these figures before despite taking time to record the necessary information!
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if i were you, ask jase if he can get you a job.lol.
 
Jase why don't you do what I do, get a full time job (I work nights) then in the day make top up cash, until youve got loads of experience to tackle the trades well! Eventually moving on to being self employed all the time?

At least you know you have the money coming in at this tricky time?

Hope this helps
 
jase158 said:
Can i just point out a lil fact that I have noticed,
Below is a similar threads section, which has 4 helping hand threads,
1 has 4 replies and the other 3 have 0 replies,
The fact of the matter is that if I had said I will work for free, then you would of thought, oh not another one!!!
If I had asked for £50 a day I would of got a few good luck messages.
But because I asked for £100 a day a realistic amount that I need to survive on, suddenly everyone is outraged, "this person is trying to actually be sensible and ask for a sensible amount, how outrageous"
How many people who offer their services for free actually keep the job for longer then a few weeks.
Anybody who is older then 17/18 has got bills, they have food to buy and rent to pay.
For anybody living at home with parents that are not paying bills then fair play, working for free or for £40 a week is fair play and if you want to take advantage of this then fair play to you.
But this is not physically possible for me, I need Around £80-£100 a day to pay my bills and feed my family.
If you do not have a job or wish to pay this then fair play, thank you for looking. However I still hold great belief that there are people out there who are willing to pay this much.
Only time will tell.
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ye but jase your just not getting it mate no one is going to pay you £500 a week plus tax and insurance the employers liablilty etc on top mate when your just a plumber or plumbers mate and not even gas safe regardless of what you need to pay your bills i only get £80 a day wen i help a bloke out and am gas safe the lot so £100 just aint happening
 
RCJ said:
Jase why don't you do what I do, get a full time job (I work nights) then in the day make top up cash, until youve got loads of experience to tackle the trades well! Eventually moving on to being self employed all the time?

At least you know you have the money coming in at this tricky time?

Hope this helps
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Just out of curiosity, when do you sleep?

Good advice but not for me. I need 7-8 hours sleep and get an ear full for working late, so working 16-18 hour days is just not an option, might as well write my divorce papers out now if I planned to do that.
 
Can I just ask, where is most people from, the ones who say £100 is not realistic?
I notice that most are from near scotland, Would be interesting to see as not many replies from people in London or within a 30 mile radius.
 
jase158 said:
Can I just ask, where is most people from, the ones who say £100 is not realistic?
I notice that most are from near scotland, Would be interesting to see as not many replies from people in London or within a 30 mile radius.
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I gave a fairly detailed account of figures.

And I have declared where I live too.
 
i think you need to consider a carrer change am afraid , how many hours a day are you willing to work just for the sake of asking 9-5
 
jase158 said:
Can I just ask, where is most people from, the ones who say £100 is not realistic?
I notice that most are from near scotland, Would be interesting to see as not many replies from people in London or within a 30 mile radius.
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£100 (£12.50/hr) is very realistic anywhere for books in. £400 a day (piece work) is realistic books in too if you are good and fast but you won't be home at 5.
Get yourself signed up with every agency you can think of.
 
9-5 = 8 hours,
My post clearly says I will not work 16-18 hours, this is start at 7am and finnish 11pm-1am, this is what RCJ was saying.


No wonder you are only getting £80 a day, if you can't read.
 
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