Good or bad idea - would you like it and be Interested in?

[Millsy 82]

To be really precise even if you used water fittings it would be physically better than a solder fitting. First of all the temperature difference is unique.. the solder will start melting about 185c but the o ring can withstand higher temperature as they are high efficiency o rings same as for gas 630c for 30min your solder is in seconds gone and will cause problems. Furthermore the fittings can withstand higher pressure than soldered joints. 15 -100bar . let me check 10 properties in UK with 50 bat and I will show you how good your soldering is you cannot beat technology

You may be right but you wouldn't be here arguing about a yellow dot. Lol.

 

[Harvest Fields]

You can do whatever you want. I dont need your apology I really could care less. And I will proof you wrong again. Hang on, as I run out of brass stuff I will get in the next couple of days the next delivery. I will proof you wrong in the next minutes as I will show you the right T which I used.

I’m happy to be wrong. Would love to see the correct tee you used. Or I would be happy with a part number that you have ordered and I will have a look.

 

[Old Account]

You may be right but you wouldn't be here arguing about a yellow dot. Lol.

I would argue. If use brasso that will disappear

 

[Old Account]

I’m happy to be wrong. Would love to see the correct tee you used. Or I would be happy with a part number that you have ordered and I will have a look.

I dont order from viega direct ha e for some mates in Germany

 

[Harvest Fields]

I dont order from viega direct ha e for some mates in Germany

That old chestnut

 

[Old Account]

You are right it is not the viega fitting it was an old x press fitting I had left. However, it is safe and gas rated but due to the brasso it's gone. However, I have ordered from my mates new fittings and the latest viega book. I will also show you the raxofix fittings which are high end quality.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Hold on so you couldn’t stretch to lagging but you spent time and money using braso and time cleaning them shiny

Arse backwards me thinks

 

[ShaunCorbs]

To be really precise even if you used water fittings it would be physically better than a solder fitting.

First of all the temperature difference is unique.. the solder will start melting about 185c but the o ring can withstand higher temperature as they are high efficiency o rings same as for gas 630c for 30min your solder is in seconds gone and will cause problems.

Furthermore the fittings can withstand higher pressure than soldered joints. 15 -100bar . let me check 10 properties in UK with 50 bat and I will show you how good your soldering is you cannot beat technology

lets address some of these statements

wrong the additives in the gas attack the non gas rated oring breaking it down and in turn leaking / passing past the oring

if the gas line is above 130 dc temp wise i think you have bigger issues as the incoming service could be plastic, which as you know doesnt like heat/ hot environments and this will cause a problem before the solder melts

copper pressed can only be used on and upto 5 bar stainless can only be used upto 10 bar

as for soldered and your stated 15-100/50 bar tests, as you already know you cant soft solder past 75 mbar you need to braze in turn answers your second point braze will go well past press in regards to temp ratings and tbh you will prob find your copper tops out around 30 bar anyway

 

[Old Account]

Hold on so you couldn’t stretch to lagging but you spent time and money using braso and time cleaning them shiny

Arse backwards me thinks

What the hell do I need lagging for mate. The whole house hasn't been lagged and it is over 70 years old. Do t get me wrong but you are extremely o er the top as usual. I'd like to see your jobs seriously I bet I could identify loads of faults

 

[Old Account]

lets address some of these statements

wrong the additives in the gas attack the non gas rated oring breaking it down and in turn leaking / passing past the oring

if the gas line is above 130 dc temp wise i think you have bigger issues as the incoming service could be plastic, which as you know doesnt like heat/ hot environments and this will cause a problem before the solder melts

copper pressed can only be used on and upto 5 bar stainless can only be used upto 10 bar

as for soldered and your stated 15-100/50 bar tests, as you already know you cant soft solder past 75 mbar you need to braze in turn answers your second point braze will go well past press in regards to temp ratings and tbh you will prob find your copper tops out around 30 bar anyway

I dont k ow where you digged that but it ain't all correct. But you are the one and only plumber on earth who knowns it all.

The non additives which you are talking about dont destroy the o ring is the viega fitting is double crimped before and after the bead. There is no chance of he o ring perishing away. Its totally new for me that you can use plastic tips on gas pipe lines should be all rubber lined metal so there hardly any chance of melting and collapsing. Get your head around it's not 80s no more and technology moves on. Soldering was good in 80s but its 21st century and things have changed to make it safer, faster and out lasting older technologies. Who is still grazing nowadays that can only be done in UK where everything is so prestige lol.

 

[Riley]

What the hell do I need lagging for mate. The whole house hasn't been lagged and it is over 70 years old. Do t get me wrong but you are extremely o er the top as usual. I'd like to see your jobs seriously I bet I could identify loads of faults

Because if your pipe freezes and bursts that’s on you?? And it’s outside essentially so why run the risk

 

[Riley]

Also no one is perfect but to quite rudely say because you use newer methods makes you better is quite frankly arrogant and insulting wind your neck in you are really rubbing people up the wrong way with your narcissistic can’t be wrong views

 

[ShaunCorbs]

2 mins please

 

[ShaunCorbs]

In regards to lagging you know that little box you ticked saying it’s installed to manufacture and bs spec you will find what you require in the regs

As for spec of orings think you will find that in your regs book And the part about soldering

Don’t worrie I’ve just popped a pic up for you

 

[Sharp Point]

I dont k ow where you digged that but it ain't all correct. But you are the one and only plumber on earth who knowns it all.

Soldering was good in 80s but its 21st century and things have changed to make it safer, faster and out lasting older technologies. Who is still grazing nowadays that can only be done in UK where everything is so prestige lol.

Ffs..... where’s the slap your own face emoji?

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Ffs... where’s the slap your own face emoji?

 

[Old Account]

Also no one is perfect but to quite rudely say because you use newer methods makes you better is quite frankly arrogant and insulting wind your neck in you are really rubbing people up the wrong way with your narcissistic can’t be wrong views

Haha, you're very funny ... if you feel spoken to that's your own problem I never mentioned anything so wind your neck in and just because you are a mod dont think you can do whatever you like.

 

[Harvest Fields]

2 mins please

Haha, you're very funny . if you feel spoken to that's your own problem I never mentioned anything so wind your neck in and just because you are a mod dont think you can do whatever you like.

Why not Ron. You do!

 

[Sharp Point]

just because you are a mod dont think you can do whatever you like.

Errrrr, yes they can. They’re the beholder of the ‘delete’ button

 

[Sharp Point]

Ron, how old are you?

 

[Old Account]

In regards to lagging you know that little box you ticked saying it’s installed to manufacture and bs spec you will find what you require in the regs

As for spec of orings think you will find that in your regs book And the part about soldering

Don’t worrie I’ve just popped a pic up for you

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It's all to spec so dont worry mate. Worry about your own installs

 

[Old Account]

Errrrr, yes they can. They’re the beholder of the ‘delete’ button

Really? For what reason? Because I'm defending myself with actual truth? Without being rude? Not offending anyone ... that's a reason to ban somebody Haha lol

 

[Riley]

All I’m trying to do is keep peace. You seem intent on arguing the toss at every opportunity even when as above you have proof in black and white. I have neither insulted anyone’s methods or said that I know better but in this instance all I’ve seen is you charging customers a “quality” rate so that you can use press fit rather than delivering the install that the customer has paid for ie a complete, safe one. I have not commented on the pressfit tee which you seem adamant you are going to ignore. Can you not see how ridiculous it is to brasso off the yellow indicator as the next engineer cannot tell if the fitting is suitable. That’s the idea of it. I would also draw your attention to the fact that you wanted this thread and all it seems to be is look at rons crimping and shiny pipework. Seriously some substance and an objectionable view to constructive criticism would make so much more sense.

 

[Harvest Fields]

It's all to spec so dont worry mate. Worry about your own installs

We cannot, when you post pictures of things you shouldn’t be doing and the quicker you come to term with that the quicker we can all move on.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

It's all to spec so dont worry mate. Worry about your own installs

Trust me I do now did I put that test nipple back in

 

[Old Account]

All I’m trying to do is keep peace. You seem intent on arguing the toss at every opportunity even when as above you have proof in black and white. I have neither insulted anyone’s methods or said that I know better but in this instance all I’ve seen is you charging customers a “quality” rate so that you can use press fit rather than delivering the install that the customer has paid for ie a complete, safe one. I have not commented on the pressfit tee which you seem adamant you are going to ignore. Can you not see how ridiculous it is to brasso off the yellow indicator as the next engineer cannot tell if the fitting is suitable. That’s the idea of it. I would also draw your attention to the fact that you wanted this thread and all it seems to be is look at rons crimping and shiny pipework. Seriously some substance and an objectionable view to constructive criticism would make so much more sense.

I agree with a few points.
I will leave it as it is. If you want you can close this thread as I'm not going to upload anything anymore. Have good evening

 

[king of pipes]

Ron can I step in as peace maker you are digging a big hole here mate please don't jump in , Harvest and the other engineers are only trying to help you out it may come across as negative criticism but be assured we know what's right and what's wrong , posting pictures of your work on here leaves you wide open to criticism I know this from past experiences but please don't see it as us ganging up on you, we as gas engineers have a duty to ensure that life and property is protected If there's a issue regarding the fittings you have used and I am not saying there is ! please , please address the problem and if not and your 100 per cent sure that your install Meets all the gas regulations then that's the end of it . Regards kop

 

[Millsy 82]

Trust me I do now did I put that test nipple back in

Mines always did I put that fga cap back on?

It then goes

Oh hello my dear I think I left a screwdriver on top of your boiler can I have a look? Ffs a 15 mile drive just to see the cap where it should be! Pull screwdriver out my pocket here it is. Walk out muttering.

 

[Riley]

Mines always did I put that fga cap back on?

It then goes

Oh hello my dear I think I left a screwdriver on top of your boiler can I have a look? Ffs a 15 mile drive just to see the cap where it should be! Pull screwdriver out my pocket here it is. Walk out muttering.

Been there

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Yep aswell

 

[Harvest Fields]

Dito

 

[Old Account]

Ron can I step in as peace maker you are digging a big hole here mate please don't jump in , Harvest and the other engineers are only trying to help you out it may come across as negative criticism but be assured we know what's right and what's wrong , posting pictures of your work on here leaves you wide open to criticism I know this from past experiences but please don't see it as us ganging up on you, we as gas engineers have a duty to ensure that life and property is protected If there's a issue regarding the fittings you have used and I am not saying there is ! please , please address the problem and if not and your 100 per cent sure that your install Meets all the gas regulations then that's the end of it . Regards kop

Appreciate what you are saying and agree with you. I definitely installed the right fittings with the right rubbers and have nothing to worry at all. It's better not to upload anything so it won't cause any problems next time. I appreciate your step in and I'm glad we finished that subject now.

 

[Stigster]

That went well...