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[Old Account]

But you’ve done the whole install in press fit mate?? That’s about 10 times the price compared to an end feed fitting?

That's correct beneath the boiler it's done in crimping fittings. It's more expensive but a lot safer, faster and last a lot longer. Don't get your question though?

 

[Sharp Point]

That's correct beneath the boiler it's done in crimping fittings. It's more expensive but a lot safer, faster and last a lot longer. Don't get your question though?

Why is it safer Ron? Man has been soldering pipes underneath boilers since lpg has been around. Faster!! ..... probably not by long, compared with soldering. I’d like to see one of your installs, where you ain’t got a blank canvas and you’re swapping out a boiler connecting onto pipework in a tight area, I’d absolutely floor you with speed and neatness..... lovely pulled bends

 

[Sharp Point]

Last a lot longer.......eh??? Soldered pipework will out live neoprene o rings hand on foot!

 

[Sharp Point]

You give those fittings a knock in 15 years time and they’d probably leak

 

[Riley]

That's correct beneath the boiler it's done in crimping fittings. It's more expensive but a lot safer, faster and last a lot longer. Don't get your question though?

You said you couldn’t stretch the budget yet you’ve used the most expensive fittings

 

[Riley]

I’m not criticising I like using pressfit as well but when you are having to save on other parts of the install because you’re using expensive fittings it just doesn’t make sense

 

[Old Account]

Last a lot longer.....eh??? Soldered pipework will out live neoprene o rings hand on foot!

The seal is just a double protection. The older fittings used be sound without being crimped but due to some incidents over the years they changed the fittings and did the sc contur which helps to see if you crimped a fitting or not ( obviously ones pressurised ). It will literally spuirt all over the place.

 

[Old Account]

You said you couldn’t stretch the budget yet you’ve used the most expensive fittings

That's the way I plumb. I chose Latest technology which customers like. No one has ever said that plumbing is cheap. I don't do cheap but quality.

 

[Old Account]

I’m not criticising I like using pressfit as well but when you are having to save on other parts of the install because you’re using expensive fittings it just doesn’t make sense

I get your point but I talk to the customer before I quote and obviously find out there budget to start with. How often you go quoting and it turns out people haven't got enough budget its literally a waste of your time and petrol. I'd rather know beforehand where I am at with the customer. I don't currently corners neither do I RIP anyone off but make sure the customer gets what he agrees and pays for.

 

[Old Account]

Why is it safer Ron? Man has been soldering pipes underneath boilers since lpg has been around. Faster!! ... probably not by long, compared with soldering. I’d like to see one of your installs, where you ain’t got a blank canvas and you’re swapping out a boiler connecting onto pipework in a tight area, I’d absolutely floor you with speed and neatness... lovely pulled bends

You and your contest show me some of your installs darling I'd be really curious

 

[Sharp Point]

That's the way I plumb. I chose Latest technology which customers like. No one has ever said that plumbing is cheap. I don't do cheap but quality.

Steady on old boy, that could stir up a hornets nest. I’ll rephrase that for you ‘ I don’t do cheap( I use press fittings) and a I strive to do a quality job.... ‘ as do most folk who use a blow torch too’

There....all re-phrased

 

[Riley]

My point is Ron if they don’t have the budget why are you not offering to solder it for them then you could meet insulation requirements and still be quids in I’m missing the point I don’t believe any customer is going to choose more expensive fittings over saving money by insulating

 

[Sharp Point]

You and your contest show me some of your installs darling I'd be really curious

I don’t really take pictures anymore, especially of boilers. I’ve put 1000’s in over the years ( spent years contracting) the novelty wore off, many many moons ago.

 

[Riley]

That's the way I plumb. I chose Latest technology which customers like. No one has ever said that plumbing is cheap. I don't do cheap but quality.

And you really do need to read your messages before you post as you are implying that you do a better job than everybody else just because you use pressfit

 

[Old Account]

Steady on old boy, that could stir up a hornets nest. I’ll rephrase that for you ‘ I don’t do cheap( I use press fittings) and a I strive to do a quality job.. ‘ as do most folk who use a blow torch too’

There....all re-phrased

I'm not saying you doing a crap job and doing using cheap materials... but if you feel

Steady on old boy, that could stir up a hornets nest. I’ll rephrase that for you ‘ I don’t do cheap( I use press fittings) and a I strive to do a quality job.. ‘ as do most folk who use a blow torch too’

There....all re-phrased

I am not saying you don't do quality jobs or use cheap materials but if you feel spoke to ... perhaps you should not try to see the bad things but taking things a little easier. We are talking about some fittings and so on ... you k ow for certain what I mean and did not mean anything different so stop trying to twist things

 

[Old Account]

My point is Ron if they don’t have the budget why are you not offering to solder it for them then you could meet insulation requirements and still be quids in I’m missing the point I don’t believe any customer is going to choose more expensive fittings over saving money by insulating

I get your point riley

 

[ShaunCorbs]

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[Old Account]

And you really do need to read your messages before you post as you are implying that you do a better job than everybody else just because you use pressfit

That's only the people who feel spoken to. I am not implying anything but said that I am offering quality work. There is no need to misunderstand me again as you all know that's not what I meant

 

[Sharp Point]

I'm not saying you doing a crap job and doing using cheap materials... but if you feel

I am not saying you don't do quality jobs or use cheap materials but if you feel spoke to . perhaps you should not try to see the bad things but taking things a little easier. We are talking about some fittings and so on . you k ow for certain what I mean and did not mean anything different so stop trying to twist things

I’m not twisting things, I’m trying to make light of the way you say things, because the way you write can be taken the completely wrong way Ron.
Making statements of pressfit is safer, last longer etc etc is bold. I think sometimes you forget that you’re on a plumbing heating and gas forum, surrounded by chaps who’ve probably been doing this 45+ years. I think we know what’s good and isn’t ..... if you get me.

When you post, be prepared to be questioned and analysed

 

[Riley]

Saying you do quality not cheap implying that anyone that anyone using end feed is cheap. It’s not a case of misreading or misinterpreting it’s in black and white. The real comparison was you do more expensive whilst others do cheaper the opposite of quality is poor quality

 

[Sharp Point]

Saying you do quality not cheap implying that anyone that anyone using end feed is cheap. It’s not a case of misreading or misinterpreting it’s in black and white. The real comparison was you do more expensive whilst others do cheaper the opposite of quality is poor quality

Can we put it down to his lack of English language and inability to express what he actually means. We don’t want another ‘vaillaht servicing’ debacle.....

 

[Harvest Fields]

You’re all missing the point and gone off track a little. @ShaunCorbs was simply pointing out that you @Matchless.plumb from the picture you posted have used a Mapress water fitting on a gas pipe and then rather than say sound, I’ll look into that and get back to you. Decide to dig your heels in as usual and baffle everyone with stuff that has nothing to do with the relevant point. It was a point to stop you from getting into trouble at a later date not a Critisism. It was an advisory to say you may want to go back and change it for a gas one.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Can we put it down to his lack of English language and inability to express what he actually means. We don’t want another ‘vaillaht servicing’ debacle...

To late.

 

[Sharp Point]

To late.

I know...

I feel some wee Germans dummies being thrown shortly.

 

[Old Account]

Don't you worry @bogrodder wo t happen. I'm out

 

[Harvest Fields]

I think this might be the one @Matchless.plumb? You see how it has yellow seals and a painted yellow mark on the fitting? FYI

 

[Old Account]

I think this might be the one @Matchless.plumb? You see how it has yellow seals and a painted yellow mark on the fitting? FYI

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Mapress have you heard about viega

 

[Harvest Fields]

Mapress have you heard about viega

Yes mate and they look nothing like that.

 

[ShaunCorbs]

How come they don’t look the same ?

I suspect no gas rating but I hope I’m wrong

 

[Old Account]

Yes mate and they look nothing like that.

Really, you think my fittings are mapress? I'll proof you wrong

 

[Harvest Fields]

I’m saying that they look like mapress. I didn’t say they were 100%

 

[Riley]

Ron, honestly mate there is no need to be so defensive, people are only trying to help each other on here if there is a chance that you’ve fitted a water fitting on the gas by mistake would you rather not know ?? Would you not be better off calling the customer and saying you think you’ve left a tool behind or something and just checking, surely its better to do that than carry on blindly. Nobody is trying to catch anyone out or make anyone look silly I think I speak for everyone on here that nobody wants to see one of our regular contributors get stung by Gas Safe for something so silly

 

[Old Account]

Ron, honestly mate there is no need to be so defensive people are only trying to help each other on here if there is a chance that you’ve fitted a water fitting on the gas by mistake would you rather not know ??

Yes of course, but there is also no need to put always people's work down is there. I'm not being awkward but I know what i am using for materials. However, I guess we should leave it again. No point of bombarding each other with nonsense.

 

[Harvest Fields]

Yes mate. That is a box of viega fittings. I agree. But that isn’t the Tee that you have fitted on the gas run and them tees have a black seal
Inside which means the packaging will have a green dot on and not yellow.

 

[Old Account]

Yes mate. That is a box of viega fittings. I agree. But that isn’t the Tee that you have fitted on the gas run and them tees have a black seal
Inside which means the packaging will have a green dot on and not yellow.

You clearly said that my fittings dont look like viega and all I did was uploading a picture of some sealed fittings. Is pointless to talk as you all stick together so I better be quiet.

 

[Riley]

Fine bud we won’t look out for you

 

[Harvest Fields]

You clearly said that my fittings dont look like viega and all I did was uploading a picture of some sealed fittings. Is pointless to talk as you all stick together so I better be quiet.

No I didn’t! For the second time. I’m going to post this picture, which you seem to be ignoring on purpose. This is the fitting we are on about not the copper fittings.

 

[Old Account]

No I didn’t! For the second time. I’m going to post this picture, which you seem to be ignoring on purpose. This is the fitting we are on about not the copper fittings.

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Thats a viega fitting not a mapress

 

[Old Account]

Fine bud we won’t look out for you

Thata fine

 

[Riley]

Thats a viega fitting not a mapress

No one is debating its viega it’s not marked for gas

 

[Millsy 82]

And this is the reason you should use soldered. Cant argue if its suitable for gas then.

 

[Old Account]

No one is debating its viega it’s not marked for gas

It was marked but when you polish pipes and fittings you rub the yellow and green stamps off especially when using brasso.

 

[Harvest Fields]

No one is debating its viega it’s not marked for gas

I am! it doesn’t look like a viega gas tee. This is a viega gas tee. It has yellow dots and says viega on it.

 

[Old Account]

And this is the reason you should use soldered. Cant argue if its suitable for gas then.

To be really precise even if you used water fittings it would be physically better than a solder fitting. First of all the temperature difference is unique.. the solder will start melting about 185c but the o ring can withstand higher temperature as they are high efficiency o rings same as for gas 630c for 30min your solder is in seconds gone and will cause problems. Furthermore the fittings can withstand higher pressure than soldered joints. 15 -100bar ... let me check 10 properties in UK with 50 bat and I will show you how good your soldering is you cannot beat technology

 

[Harvest Fields]

To be really precise even if you used water fittings it would be physically better than a solder fitting. First of all the temperature difference is unique.. the solder will start melting about 185c but the o ring can withstand higher temperature as they are high efficiency o rings same as for gas 630c for 30min your solder is in seconds gone and will cause problems. Furthermore the fittings can withstand higher pressure than soldered joints. 15 -100bar . let me check 10 properties in UK with 50 bat and I will show you how good your soldering is you cannot beat technology

All irrelevant information again Ron. And why polish something that is already shiny?

 

[Old Account]

I am! it doesn’t look like a viega gas tee. This is a viega gas tee. It has yellow dots and says viega on it.

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I'm debating too and you are wrong. You never dealt with viega fittings but telling me my fittings look like mapress. Common harvest you know you are wrong and that's the bitter truth.
3 different types of fittings

Left to right

Express, mapress and viega
As you can see the green dots disappear over time

Furthermore look how poor Express stamps are hardly visible and once you start polishing it will disappear easily

 

[Old Account]

All irrelevant information again Ron. And why polish something that is already shiny?

You dont have to polish do whatever you want you can keep your pipes full of flux and solder it ain't bother me

 

[Old Account]

All irrelevant information again Ron. And why polish something that is already shiny?

It's all relevant when it comes to incidents ... but keep talking g about a stamp ... if something goes wrong no one will ask about a stamp but about the right material used!!!

 

[Harvest Fields]

I'm debating too and you are wrong. You never dealt with viega fittings but telling me my fittings look like mapress. Common harvest you know you are wrong and that's the bitter truth.
3 different types of fittings

Left to right

Express, mapress and viega
As you can see the green dots disappear over time

Furthermore look how poor Express stamps are hardly visible and once you start polishing it will disappear easily

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Everything you say about me is true mate. But the difference between me and you is that I would rather listen to people’s advice and learn from my mistakes. But not you, you deviate and try to confuse people with facts that actually have no relevance to the conversation, and yet again you keep posting a picture of a copper tee and not the brass one that you have used in the gas line as a test point which is the one we are all on about. Ignore it all you want mate. I have decided to email viega to get pictures of all of their brass tee’s and have also decided to email them a picture of the one that you have used. If I am wrong I will happily let you know and apologise.

 

[Old Account]

Everything you say about me is true mate. But the difference between me and you is that I would rather listen to people’s advice and learn from my mistakes. But not you, you deviate and try to confuse people with facts that actually have no relevance to the conversation, and yet again you keep posting a picture of a copper tee and not the brass one that you have used in the gas line as a test point which is the one we are all on about. Ignore it all you want mate. I have decided to email viega to get pictures of all of their brass tee’s and have also decided to email them a picture of the one that you have used. If I am wrong I will happily let you know and apologise.

You can do whatever you want. I dont need your apology I really could care less. And I will proof you wrong again. Hang on, as I run out of brass stuff I will get in the next couple of days the next delivery. I will proof you wrong in the next minutes as I will show you the right T which I used.