training plumbers

[Gray0689]

There are also plumbers trained courtesy of HMPS. I know a lot of my friends when I was younger came out qualified. But I didn't hear too much negativity about that.

Only in Britain so you do a crime go to prison and get a trade is that there punishment be a plumber
Only the british goverment would do this to soft total joke
Bring back guy Fawkes to do a proper job this time

 

[Bartdude]

There are also plumbers trained courtesy of HMPS. I know a lot of my friends when I was younger came out qualified. But I didn't hear too much negativity about that.

I know a guy who did this.He's now set up with another plumber and they've got a pretty steady business at the moment.He passes me any oil and LPG work that he gets. They seem to do quite a tidy job from what I've seen too.

When I decide to take someone on however,it will be a young trainee.I wouldn't consider a fast tracker for all the reasons outlined already. Every time I go to my trading estate I see new sign-written vans,and prices are being driven down as a result.Thankfully my business tends to be more of a niche with the range cooker work I specialise in,and I don't have too much competition(yet!!) I've turned down a couple of bathroom enquiries lately,it's just not worth the bother for me.

The sooner this "training" bubble is burst the better for all of us.

 

[SimonG]

It'll be the next big thing after mis sold payment protection insurance and bank charges.
Mis sold training schemes!

 

[fuzzy]

Train for Gain is /was funded. Now ceased. Yes, along with other trades but plumbing is relative to my point.
Demand going through the roof- You'll notice it's a scenario I made up. It's the first thing I mentioned, it's not based on anything than rationale as to why there are so many plumbers now. Maybe part of a bigger picture. Hypothesis/opinion.
And your last two points are not anything I made comment on. I realise that this is true.

I thought your post suggested that plumbing alone has been funded because of such high demand. that was not the case. T2G was funding for employers to upskill people working for them. It wasnt funding for new starts as such, it was there to help ompanies identify skills needs within workforce
Not sure were you stand on this, do you believe we will be short of plumbers?

 

[fuzzy]

There are also plumbers trained courtesy of HMPS. I know a lot of my friends when I was younger came out qualified. But I didn't hear too much negativity about that.

there will be more negativity towards fast track than HMP because of the numbers
You cannot get a plumbing NVQ from HMP now
How many of your friends were there :shocked3:

 

[Kimou]

I thought your post suggested that plumbing alone has been funded because of such high demand. that was not the case. T2G was funding for employers to upskill people working for them. It wasnt funding for new starts as such, it was there to help ompanies identify skills needs within workforce
Not sure were you stand on this, do you believe we will be short of plumbers?

No, I realise the entitlements on the funded projects. It's stated that the applicant must be working within the field.
My stance is that plumbing has become devalued and trivialised at present, but I believe that this will create a massive problem to the public with regards to safety and property damage. I don't believe there'll be a shortage due to the current climate numbers entering the industry. And this can go different ways also, when people realise that they can't get work they'll have to try and go it alone. And that can create extreme frustration when they come against jobs that they can't solve and no one to turn to for help. The salary isn't what was advertised and it's more trouble than it's worth. These guys may bite the bullet and leave to try elsewhere.
Once we emerge from the recession people will filter back into jobs more suited than getting covered in dirt and dust. I don't think there is the realisation out there of what plumbers actually have to do to fit plumbing systems or diagnose problems. It can be easy enough, but there are so many problems which are taken care of as the norm.

My scenario, however, is based on a desperate optimistic faith that our gov't must have some form of cogent basis for allowing an accepted minimum of time and experience to pass fully qualified at the base level within the industry. And my own logic tells me that enforced legislation will create them revenue, therefore interest. And a cunning plan is to be set in motion to start regulating the industry and mitigate potential risks by way of system requirements to ensure protection of Society's health and welfare as well as the reduction of the carbon footprint. Once it's in play then plumbers will be in demand.
Maybe it's pie in the sky, but it's plausible.

 

[fuzzy]

how can the government affect time taken to become qualified? if they put a cap on it they could be accused of all sorts

 

[Kimou]

there will be more negativity towards fast track than HMP because of the numbers
You cannot get a plumbing NVQ from HMP now
How many of your friends were there :shocked3:

I didn't know they'd stopped it. I knew a few guys but they didn't keep it up once released for one reason or another. More like something to keep in line and get out on good behaviour early. Can't blame them. At least they tried to put their mind to something and give them a chance once out.

 

[fuzzy]

they still train people in prison, just they cannot get the full nvq

 

[Kimou]

how can the government affect time taken to become qualified? if they put a cap on it they could be accused of all sorts

If it isn't the gov't then who is it that sanctions the criteria need to become qualified? Ultimately the gov't must give the go-ahead by way of the entrusted body who they've installed as overseer.

 

[Kimou]

That's interesting about the NVQ. So how would they get it once released. I reckon it'll be harder for them to get a portfolio made than the fast trackers.

 

[fuzzy]

If it isn't the gov't then who is it that sanctions the criteria need to become qualified? Ultimately the gov't must give the go-ahead by way of the entrusted body who they've installed as overseer.

Ofqual - Home

 

[fuzzy]

That's interesting about the NVQ. So how would they get it once released. I reckon it'll be harder for them to get a portfolio made than the fast trackers.

thy have the same choices as everyone else, go get a job and get the qual. dont get a job dont get the qual

 

[Kimou]

It says they're the gov't regulatory body for certification. When I say gov't, it's whoever they've installed as their croney. I didn't know who that body actually was, so thanks for the info.

 

[rattler]

In Aberdeen we have ALOT of so called plumbers from poland and other eastern european countries and being honest they are dangerous.They are not trained,rip people off and yet they are usually always busy!
The government has to take the blame for that,if we went to their countries and did the same we'd be linched.
Proper training is ESSENTIAL and in my view it has to be time served,someone who is qualified in 8 weeks will come across jobs they simple have no idea about.I time served plumber will usually see a wide variety of work.But being qualified is only the start,years of EXPERIENCE is when you truly become skilled at anything.
Young kids today are lazier today,less motivated and reliable.I know people who have trained young lades and after 9-12 months they leave and start up on their own!!