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Hi
I have a recent issue in that I can only get heat upstairs or downstairs but not to both. And when I do put just the downstairs heating on, the two furthest away radiators struggle to warm up even when the other radiators downstairs are turned down. Also, when the hot water comes on both upstairs and downstairs can't heat.

I have tried balancing and cleaning the system (cleaned all downstairs radiators via a hose outside and put in Fernox F3 cleaner) but that hasn't worked. I have also opened up the pump (Grundfos Alpha2 15-60 130) and ensured that it was spinning freely, which it was.

Two plumbers have come to inspect it - the first cleaned a few parts in the boiler along with suggesting putting in the cleaner to get rid of sludge as they thought the boiler and pump were working ok.

The second plumber suggested a stronger cleaner be used i.e. Fernox F5.

The system has a Spirotech MB3 fitted on the outflow from the boiler and before the pump - I know it is in the wrong place! Having figured out what it was, I cleaned it for the first time having to poke a cotton bud up through the hole to make the water flow out as it was so clogged up! It seems to be pulling black water every few days.

So, I am looking for suggestions on my next steps to resolve this heating issue. I have been thinking about the following options:

1. Just put Fernox F5 into the system and let it run for a week then drain.

2. Put Fernox F5 into the system and use a power flush machine.

3. Same as option 2 but use a magnacleanse machine to avoid extra pressure which might burst fragile pipes. This will be the most costly option as I will have to purchase the magnacleanse machine as I can't find any company that hires them out!

4. Replace the pump as even though it might be spinning freely, its strength may have diminished over time. I did notice that after agitating the pump the inflow pipes to the radiators downstairs did get hotter.

I am leaning towards Option 3 followed by Option 4 if Option 3 doesn't work.

Any advice is welcomed!

Thanks

Vik
 
A permanent magnet should be installed on return back to boiler anyway to help. You would benefit from a proper power flush as well though as any hard set sludge in system may not budge and circulate back to magnet to extract. I once saw a system with V,C,P not right and all pipework was riddled with sludge, 22mm pipe had an internal bore of about 2-3mm it was that bad. In the end the guy said just rip out and start from fresh.
 
Black iron oxide has a density of 5.17g/cm3, this can hold 500g in total, meaning on average an area of 100cm3 plus a little. If system content is medium it should be ok, if however it’s on the large scale then maybe not. Remember the reservoir will still contain some that isn’t attracted to magnet. When I power flushed we used a chemical to break down any sludge and a silt free chemical to stop sludge re-binding and circulated back through system
 
Black iron oxide has a density of 5.17g/cm3, this can hold 500g in total, meaning on average an area of 100cm3 plus a little. If system content is medium it should be ok, if however it’s on the large scale then maybe not. Remember the reservoir will still contain some that isn’t attracted to magnet. When I power flushed we used a chemical to break down any sludge and a silt free chemical to stop sludge re-binding and circulated back through system
Great, thanks. This will be the most cost effective method for me....i'll gìve it a go!
 
I have a similar problem with the same pump. Grundfos suggested the problem was the orientation of the head. The wiring MUST be at 6 o'clock if the pipe work is horizontal - they said. In my case I think I have a blockage between the boiler and the pump as the Pw is only 10w on constant speed 3 or 5w on Autoadapt.
I have not solved my problem yet, but does this orientation point make any sense?
Richard
 

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