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I would say put exactly what you have said on the blog, I now beleive that the fact that the Elctrical industry has taken to the MCS like a duck to water, means that the powers that be honestly believe that the plumbing industry will follow. The main problem with the plumbing industry is at this moment things are moving faster than anyone realises and the fact is the majority of people in our trade have barely heard of a heatpump let alone seen one, and to be honest I have found customers know more about heatpumps than the installers.

Now the Government are dithering around with indesicion about the RHI for heatpumps because at this moment there are debates going on as to whether heat pumps can really save money,energy efficient and are renewable, Well I reckon that they are, and the biggest problem for heatpumps is misselling and missunderstanding their limitations most important of all the fact that the majority of installers not understanding the best way of using this technology to get the best out of them, so the government have introduced the MCS with a really costly focus on QMS and not on the technology itself and because of this incompitance they are harming our industry by splintering it even further by forcing more companies to specialise instead of allowing us who are trained and understand heating systems to just get on with what we are trained to do.


I am a one man band so picture this say I have a customer who wants a heating system in their house and they want a bivalent system utilising a heat pump, solar thermal, a woodburner of some type and an oil boiler, because I am a one man band and I am gas safe right now I have lost a customer, I am fully capabable and trained to install of the above but because of the physical yearly costs of registrations, I only register the with the one body I am most likely to use, So what does my customer do, use companies that they do not know and trust, do they get a different installer for each technology.


One other thing as well I have a confession to make regarding Mickw's original boiler scrappage scheme when I first saw it I had my doubts and honestly believed Mick was waisting his time, I never signed the pettition, why because I honestly believed he was wasting his time fighting beaurocrocy. when I heard that the boiler scrappage scheme was really going to happen I was shocked and surprised at what he had achieved in what appeared to be a very short time. I am usually the first to bleat and moan when I am not happy and usually the last to do anything about it, well this time its different
 
I'm a Member of the CIPHE and they have this [DLMURL="http://www.ciphe.org.uk/greenplumb/"]GreenPlumb - CIPHE[/DLMURL] a free registration scheme for plumbers (its not free if you're not registered with CIPHE)

This could be used instead of the MCS but as unguided is saying we need ONE body to cover ALL the heating technologies, could CIPHE do this?

I have just finished altering the heating system on an extension for a customer, the builder has installed a wood burning stove which I presumed the customer would have asked me to install. They have not followed the MI on any part of the fitting, 2 young labourers did the fitting, in my opinion it is dangerous and have not fitted a carbon monoxide alarm which is now required. I'm not HETAS registered but would and do install solid fuel appliances. But I do it right.

Why can it not be possible to be registered with one body and be able, if competent to install and register all heating appliances?
 
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I'm a member of CIPHE too Ecowarm, IMHO there are too many different organisations that say we should be members of, most of which are moneypits who don't provide any real value for money. If it came to us having one organisation then I would embrace it like we all should in the industry.
 
Life is so frustrating sometimes!

I sent the briefing paper, calling for exemption from the QMS part of MCS for small business, to my MP asking for his support. He wrote to Greg Barker, the minister of state for DECC, who replied last week. Neither my MP or Greg Barker addressed the point I was making!! Instead, I was pointed to the Microgeneration Strategy document.

I phoned my MPs assistant last week explaining that they had both completely ignored the important point that I am making and demanding to see him so that I can explain the campaign face to face.

Today, I get a phone call from his assistant saying that he will be pleased to meet me - so far so good! He then went on to tell me that his diary secretary will phone me sometime this week to arrange the meeting!!

His diary secretary??? SOMETIME THIS WEEK??? Couldn't the bloody diary secretary have phoned me today???

Ok, rant over - I suppose I am being unreasonable, but it is now nearly a month since I first raised the subject with him..........
 
And we are supposed to entrust the future of our industry to these people? No matter how they dress things up a government department is a slow moving dinosaur, obviously they don't follow the same rigorous quality systems that they have forced upon our industry in order to streamline their own processes!
 
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Just sent a stinger of a mail to my MSP and the prime ministers office directing them to your blog Mick. Ill probably hear back around April next year!
 
Just sent a stinger of a mail to my MSP and the prime ministers office directing them to your blog Mick. Ill probably hear back around April next year!
Hahahah!! Thanks for that, it actually made me laugh out loud!
 
Looks like "head in the sand mentality" avoidance if I can put them off long enough they might go away!
Having just gone through the long drawn out process of MCS and the QMS (which is totally OTT for small businesses),
I become more convinced that it just another instance of them that can do do and them that cant (just watch,and charge us for the privilege!
 
According to somebody called Mark Weston:

"Making MCS a free for all for small installers would destroy the industry over night, flood it with smaller companies who possibly couln’t cope (ie. didnt have a structure for growth in place which MCS creates), possibly were out to make a fast buck and weren’t bothered about customer protection or best practice."
:eek:mg_smile:

Needless to say, I have responded ...
Trade Only: Over-regulation is the Biggest Barrier to Renewable take-up
 
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