Can I fit a boiler, and then have it certified by a qualified gas fitter?

[hayjay]

Hi,
was wondering if it's possible to install a new boiler myself and then pay to have it checked by a certified gas safe registered engineer.
I'm currently a Petty officer in the Royal navy serving on a nuclear submarine. I have a Hons degree in marine engineering and I am a CAT B nuclear Engineer. I think what I'm trying to say is I have 8 yrs experience in multi engineering disciplines i.e hydraulics, electrics, Gas turbines, and nuclear propulsion. If I had the time I would love to qualify as a certified gas safe engineer.At the moment I spend a lot of time away. I'm not trying to save money, but by fitting the boiler myself it's just to have the pleasure of installing a boiler and possibly installing the central heating in my self-build house when I finish in the navy. If it's a no go, then I'll look into becoming gas safe certified myself.
Many thanks for reading this.

 

[Dotty]

thanks for all your replies. I just wondered. OK I'll become a gas fitter and then I can rip people off.........

Is that seriously your attitude. Wind it in jack. You cannot prove your competence in the gas industry, no matter what engineering certs you might have.

This makes diy gas work illegal which is why we're telling you no. NOT because we want to rip you off. The reason the boys have quoted hundreds is because if your boiler was to be commissioned it would be coming off the wall and then refitted. That way the fitter would be confident it was installed correctly. You might be a big shot submariner but in the gas world that counts for chuff all.

I'm giving you 24 hours to retract your rip off comment.

If I see nothing by 2130hrs tomorrow I WILL remove your account.

Clocks ticking.

 

[lame plumber]

you get submariners pay, so you can easily afford to pay a gas technician to put the boiler on the wall, pipe in the gas and you can come along later and run all your rad feeds up to the boiler. then he can pop back and connect and commission the boiler and heating system for you. it's not the ability and knowledge that you need but that little expensive ticket and insurance cover that allows someone to work with gas.

 

[chris watkins]

Is that seriously your attitude. Wind it in jack. You cannot prove your competence in the gas industry, no matter what engineering certs you might have.

This makes diy gas work illegal which is why we're telling you no. NOT because we want to rip you off. The reason the boys have quoted hundreds is because if your boiler was to be commissioned it would be coming off the wall and then refitted. That way the fitter would be confident it was installed correctly. You might be a big shot submariner but in the gas world that counts for chuff all.

I'm giving you 24 hours to retract your rip off comment.

If I see nothing by 2130hrs tomorrow I WILL remove your account.

Clocks ticking.

The subs dived, he silent running now for the next month! Just pull the plug now croppie.

When all the water has drained out of his bath he might be back in radio contact but I doubt it.:54:

 

[lame plumber]

funnily enough, if he goes ahead and fits his boiler and heating, it will probably be one of the best installs you'll ever come across. Re his competences, he will be technically more adept than most of us on this site. His only problem in proving his competence in a court is that he doesnt belong to a registered body for gas installations, however his various bodies he does belong to and have certification for far outstrips any of the tests we have to pass to work on gas so chances are he will be able to walk out of any court a free man. Additionally he isnt working for payment so once again he isnt going to be breaking the regs and all the grey areas involved.

His arrogance is a bit cheeky, but his apprenticeship took longer than ours ever did, and if he cocks up his job, its not a house that vapourizes but Plymouth and most of devon and cornwall

 

[Stanios]

Hmm how many people a year in UK get radioactive poisoning? Nuclear reactor is way safer than a DIY boiler

 

[lame plumber]

nuclear propulsion is only safer coz those working with it have some superb training

 

[Leo21]

Obviously the guys clever, it's just not legal or ethical. Simples.

 

[REDSAW]

if he cocks up his job, its not a house that vapourizes but Plymouth and most of devon and cornwall

so whats the problem with that?

 

[AlexGas]

so whats the problem with that?

The Royal Navy Ethos says clearly that we must avoid any activity which undermines our professional ability, or puts others at risk.

 

[lame plumber]

from looking at the rules in the past, it may not be illegal either being as its not being don under the definition of work and the fact his skills exceed ours on most fronts.

 

[Leo21]

so whats the problem with that?

Id have to surf in Wales!

 

[Stanios]

nuclear propulsion is only safer coz those working with it have some superb training

Unless they are from Chernobyl

 

[lame plumber]

The Royal Navy Ethos says clearly that we must avoid any activity which undermines our professional ability, or puts others at risk.

so being shot at tends to undermine ones professional ability and firing back really does put others at risk as well, seems someone cocked up on their way to be a sailor routine.

 

[DrainMedic]

If anyone does sign it off for him, I'd tighten your belts! I've heard about these navy people, it's all Vaseline and pillow biting!

Thats is if he is in the navy and who he says he is, it's quite possible that he's just a vagina (as proven by his later comments) who's after saving a few quid. If he was in fact of the status he claims to be, surely he wouldn't be asking silly questions in a plumbing forum? Surely a quick Google would give him his answer.

Anyway, I'm sure he'll be back on tomorrow as an airline pilot or a special agent asking if he can fit his own fuse box.

 

[REDSAW]

nuclear propulsion is only safer coz those working with it have some superb training

my cousin had to go to this Russian 'Nuclear Submarine' Kursk (i think it was that one) dive down to it and stabilise the reactor after she blew cptn!!

 

[Dotty]

from looking at the rules in the past, it may not be illegal either being as its not being don under the definition of work and the fact his skills exceed ours on most fronts.

This argument gets trotted out time and again. GSIUR part b.

PART B GAS FITTINGS – GENERAL PROVISIONS


Qualification and supervision


3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

Mentions nothing about payments or lack thereof.

 

[REDSAW]

Id have to surf in Wales!

severn bore will be good that year!!lol

 

[lame plumber]

payment comes under the definition of work fm memory. Can you define competence please John

love this thread already, so many grey areas. And did you all know that Greenwich university, once upon a time the RN staff college had its own nuclear reactor, in the middle of Greenwich that eco friendly, greenpeace anti nuclear local council place in London. You have never seen so many fire engines turn up for a faulty fire alarm, I lost count a 16 appliances within 10 minutes, that was one pig of a day to be the duty officer. I wonder if its been decommissioned now the RN has left.

 

[Dotty]

You're not corroborating your own argument.

Competence comes with ccn1 and proven by registration as a gsr.

Where's the grey area?

 

[DrainMedic]

If the term 'work' meant paid work, surely it would say so, in the same way vehicle operators licences work, where they mention 'for hire or reward'. If you use an HGV privately, you don't need an O license for it.
The gas safety laws have been designed to keep people safe, if a DIY job doesn't come under the scope of the set of laws, then it's hardly keeping people safe.

The only grey area I can see is whether the guy is an @rsehole or a complete @rsehole.

 

[AlexGas]

 

[lame plumber]

the grey bit being your not allowed to carry out work unless competent and a member of a registered body.

work defined as paid

competence comes in many guises in law

registered body being gas safe. of course.

But in this case, the bloke would easly prove competence in his skills and ability, he isnt working, but of course not being registered wth gas safe isnt an issue if he isnt carrying out work as defined in the regs.

 

[DrainMedic]

the grey bit being your not allowed to carry out work unless competent and a member of a registered body.

work defined as paid

competence comes in many guises in law

registered body being gas safe. of course.

But in this case, the bloke would easly prove competence in his skills and ability, he isnt working, but of course not being registered wth gas safe isnt an issue if he isnt carrying out work as defined in the regs.

Does this mean none GSR plumbers can charge for bleeding the radiators then give the customer a free boiler service? Is there a refund if we de-register part way through the year? No need to be registered after all! arty:

 

[Dotty]

HE ISN'T COMPETENT! He might be in submarines but not the gas industry.

How many times Jon. It's black and white.

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

Leave it go now because I'm starting to get wound up.

 

[Whyme]

Oooh i love it..

 

[Leo21]

Everyone just.

 

[lame plumber]

hehehe need me on the other side of the fence John, just I know what the competences of these lads are from my previous life and also how poor our industry regs are defined. What you really need to do is send over a bottle of Irish, then I'd be a quiet bunny

 

[AlexGas]

hehehe need me on the other side of the fence John, just I know what the competences of these lads are from my previous life and also how poor our industry regs are defined. What you really need to do is send over a bottle of Irish, then I'd be a quiet bunny

But IF it does go off – it can take out more than one house, a street, a someone across the road. What are we gonna say here!? That’s cool, nothing to worry about – he was working (not paid) in his own house!? That’s not right!

 

[AlexGas]

 

[DrainMedic]

Alex, that's the point I was making earlier.

I really feel that anyone encouraging illegal gas work (paid or unpaid, to remove any shadow of doubt) should have their registrations re-considered.