Eco deal question

[jefaz]

I'm not deciding!! You're not getting what I am saying. If they need done they need done. What I am saying is in these economic times people struggle to pay for the bare essentials as it stands. Adding more that you have to fit will increase the burden on low income families who have to fork out extra to comply with the new regs. Why would you assume I was going to flout the regs? I keep strictly within the regs every singe time I'm at work.
And at the moment are TRVS not optional?

 

[Nostrum]

You can get cheaply trvs for about £6. A lock shield is about £2 so a 7 rad system is only going to cost and extra £24 for trvs, there's not really an excuse and the expense will be saved within a year anyway.

 

[jefaz]

You can get cheaply trvs for about £6. A lock shield is about £2 so a 7 rad system is only going to cost and extra £24 for trvs, there's not really an excuse and the expense will be saved within a year anyway.

Check your maths

 

[Nostrum]

6 x £4 = £24 by my reckoning, no trv on the room with a room stat. :whatchutalkingabout

 

[jefaz]

Hehe!! Anyway I fear everyone has got me wrong here. I'm Not saying a it's a bad thing or anything like that. I'm just saying what excuses will be used. I won't be fitting boilers anyway so it matters not to me!!

 

[chris watkins]

I think you are right jefaz, there is miss understanding on both sides, always a problem when typing sort replays but here is an extract from the current compliance guide for Part L if you have a look it is clear the existing systems must be upgraded to the same level as a new system i.e. TRV's on all rads except reference room (one with thermostat fitted) & bathrooms (& I still fit em in baths / showers)
Just to move it on somewhat it is also a requirement that the primaries between the boiler & cylinder are insulated only found that one out a couple of months ago myself.

 

[Nostrum]

Is this the current or forthcoming version chris? I know they have backtracked on zoning finally but not sure what else has been changed, haven't had a chance to look at it in detail.

 

[chris watkins]

Is this the current or forthcoming version chris? I know they have backtracked on zoning finally but not sure what else has been changed, haven't had a chance to look at it in detail.

The extract in post 21 is current 2010 (2011) as link http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/domestic_building_compliance_guide_2010.pdf
As you say Nostrum it seems they have back tract on the thorny zoning (gone back to the old if more than 150M2) as of 6th April next year (2014) new pumps get a mention as does insulation of whole primary pipes.

 

[Nostrum]

I think its a step in the right direction, the zoning makes a lot more sense. Not sure many will be ripping up floors to insulate existing primaries though.

 

[chris watkins]

I think its a step in the right direction, the zoning makes a lot more sense. Not sure many will be ripping up floors to insulate existing primaries though.

No I agree but would be nice to see it on a new build ?? it has after all been in for a good couple of years.
Just where are the police to enforce these, just so are all on a level playing field, a.

 

[Ermintrude]

Let's concentrate on the big ones first ? Illegal installs, signing off mates work , under gassed no vents and spilling appliances?

 

[tamz]

The big one is the amount of money (our money) being squandered installing things that are not up to standards in spec or installation and don't get me started on landlords getting their houses done up for free.

 

[Ermintrude]

The big one is the amount of money (our money) being squandered installing things that are not up to standards in spec or installation and don't get me started on landlords getting their houses done up for free.

But it's a good thing. Government helping big businesses .... Again. Isn't ray secretary or state for energy?

 

[chris watkins]

Let's concentrate on the big ones first ? Illegal installs, signing off mates work , under gassed no vents and spilling appliances?

Can't we do both ? it is just with mine (new builds) the policeman is already on site it is just he doesn't know what he is looking at ? With yours Ermi, he has got to get of his metaphorical bum & go out & investigate them!!
Always happened Tamz, don't make it easer to bare, sometimes it just has to come down to ones own moral compass.

 

[Reltub]

In that part L extract it says 'recommended minimum standards' so is it a recommendation or is that the law? Open to interpretation that one.