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Millsy 82

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Anybody fitted one?

What's your opinion of it?

Not fitted one and wont fit one. Cant see the point if you clean the system prior then why do you need to know how full it is. And then the customer will keep saying it's got x amount in it need cleaning. I cant see how it is going to prevent boiler breakdown before it happens as it said.
 
Not worth it and let’s be realistic how long is it going to last
 
Millsy 82 said:
I'm glad I'm not the only one then who thought it's pointless.
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My slightly cynical guess is because there is a limit to what you can charge for £5 worth of PA6 plastic and a handful of fittings. Where as if you add £5 of Bluetooth magic to the product you can sell it as “smart” and add £75 to the price and for some reason no one questions it.
 
You would like to think that this one would have fallen at the “is there a need for it/ does it solve a problem” stage of invention.

I think there is a bypass, labelled “can I make some money”, that circumvents common sense.
 
I cannot see it being a great stand alone domestic install success.
However there is in the multi property world a strong move to mini BMS ...building management systems that monitor aspects of the
property back to a central monitoring station. Temp, humidity, gas water and electricity consumption, etc for each managed property
inc. micro management eg. maybe the fan on the boiler is demanding a few more milli amps than normal, same for the pump
it might fit in in this world where eg 16,000 props are centrally monitored. I have seen the start already. centralheatking
 
centralheatking said:
I cannot see it being a great stand alone domestic install success.
However there is in the multi property world a strong move to mini BMS ...building management systems that monitor aspects of the
property back to a central monitoring station. Temp, humidity, gas water and electricity consumption, etc for each managed property
inc. micro management eg. maybe the fan on the boiler is demanding a few more milli amps than normal, same for the pump
it might fit in in this world where eg 16,000 props are centrally monitored. I have seen the start already. centralheatking
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Condition based monitoring is possible on a small scale but generally cost prohibitive. Vibration transducers could be fitted to pumps, flow meters on heating circuits or gas consumption vs heating for PHE fouling but it rapidly reaches the point where CBM costs more than the device alternatively you can use cheap equipment but then tend to suffer from lots of false positives.
 
OffshoreGas said:
Condition based monitoring is possible on a small scale but generally cost prohibitive. Vibration transducers could be fitted to pumps, flow meters on heating circuits or gas consumption vs heating for PHE fouling but it rapidly reaches the point where CBM costs more than the device alternatively you can use cheap equipment but then tend to suffer from lots of false positives.
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However in just the same way one can plug the car in for a diagnostic this is arriving for boilers soon ..then off we go
centralheatking
 
centralheatking said:
The info is there thats how the boiler regulates itself it just needs bringing to a plug in multi connector like a modern car chking
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Can't you already access what the boiler has been doing via the parameter settings on the boiler screen.
Older boiler that don't have the diagnostics are generally much easier to find and fix problems.

As for the internet connected filter to give you updates on its condition - total toss.
 
centralheatking said:
The info is there thats how the boiler regulates itself it just needs bringing to a plug in multi connector like a modern car chking
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Cars use OBDII because they have lots of fairly sophisticated components communicating at high speed. A heating system has about 5% of the control gear of a modern car. Seems a bit pointless. As Oz Plumber says surely this can be provided by the local display.
 
It'd of made more sense for them to put a pressure sensor in it and then get it to notify you when your pressure was getting low. That would of been the biggest benefit of it rather than letting the customer know the water quality.... I'd of probably fit the odd few them for the customers who forget to check their pressure.

I might fit one in my own house when I swap the boiler but I won't be fitting any for customers. Seems like they've realised no one is buying them as they seem to be constantly on offer at merchs
 
EvilDrPorkChop said:
It'd of made more sense for them to put a pressure sensor in it and then get it to notify you when your pressure was getting low. That would of been the biggest benefit of it rather than letting the customer know the water quality.. I'd of probably fit the odd few them for the customers who forget to check their pressure.

I might fit one in my own house when I swap the boiler but I won't be fitting any for customers. Seems like they've realised no one is buying them as they seem to be constantly on offer at merchs
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A device that designed to accumulate solids wouldn’t be the ideal location to install a pressure transducer that’s fairly likely to block. There also fairly costly to produce, you could measure the accumulations of magnetic sludge with the change in measured flux
density form the permanent magnet quite cheaply and non contact.
 
EvilDrPorkChop said:
It'd of made more sense for them to put a pressure sensor in it and then get it to notify you when your pressure was getting low. That would of been the biggest benefit of it rather than letting the customer know the water quality.. I'd of probably fit the odd few them for the customers who forget to check their pressure.

I might fit one in my own house when I swap the boiler but I won't be fitting any for customers. Seems like they've realised no one is buying them as they seem to be constantly on offer at merchs
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pressure low alert ....pressure sentry from teddington systems
we sell them alongside top up mate, its a good standalone unit
centralheatking
 
Vaillants are the worst now they've taken the pressure gauge off the front, you show a customer how to get the water pressure up then 6 months later when it needs topping up they've forgot! Think i'm going to do a step by step guide for our customers.

And is it just me, but I go back to Worcester Greenstars (Junior, SI and CDI) that have 0 pressure in and still going nearly knackering the HEX in.
 
EvilDrPorkChop said:
Vaillants are the worst now they've taken the pressure gauge off the front, you show a customer how to get the water pressure up then 6 months later when it needs topping up they've forgot! Think i'm going to do a step by step guide for our customers.

And is it just me, but I go back to Worcester Greenstars (Junior, SI and CDI) that have 0 pressure in and still going nearly knackering the HEX in.
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They don’t have a low pressure cut off
Maybe why the kebabs are always a mess
 
OffshoreGas said:
Well if they knew how to fill it they wouldn’t ring you would they. I’m guessing you see lots of the 10% that don’t.
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The issue is most customers forget, if they only have to top it up once every 9-12 months then it doesn't stick in their minds. I have customers who haven't had combis before and you need to show them 2-3 times before it sticks. Throw in the digital gauges on the Vaillant/Glowworm and you've got no chance of them remembering 12 months down line :rolleyes:
 
OffshoreGas said:
Well if they knew how to fill it they wouldn’t ring you would they. I’m guessing you see lots of the 10% that don’t.
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I would say a good 50% of worcesters are empty at service time. The amount of times I say have you checked your pressure and i get ummmmmm no do you think it's that? No I thought I would just tell you that for the fun of it.

You dont work for checkatrade do you with that figure? :D
 

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