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Can anyone offer any experienced or expert advice?

I'm being woken most nights especially around 1am and again around 4 - 6am to my floor and bed vibrating. A neighbour has said his water heater/boiler had new valve fitted. He said it's noisy but didn't think it would cause vibration in my next door flat.

It's happening now asI'm typing and I put my ear to various walls to try to locate it. The only place with any sound is next to this neighbour and there isa pressured sound in the wall.


Is this sounding like aboiler/water heater problem? If so what sort of problems are there? I'm wondering about offering to pay for my neighbour to have aplumber check the boiler, as it's affecting me, but if they checkedduring the day when there often isn't any perceived vibration, wouldthey still find a problem?


Thoughts and advicewelcome on this one. I seriously cannot sleep at night as itvibrates the whole flat and there's nowhere to place my mattress tosleep!
 
I should say I'm not posting on here to try and save money or anything, I'd gladly pay someone to solve the problem.

But I'm not sure how anyone can solve it if they visit me during normal sociable hours, because it's rarely happening then (although I could try a saturday, it was happening all day on saturday just gone). But even if I have a plumber come out on a saturday and they feel it, I'm guessing they won't know which neighbour it's coming from.

Incidentally there is something that needs doing on my own water heater. My landlady's plumber is coming in a week to sort that, but he doesn't think it's necessarily the cause of the vibration, as that only seems to happen when a certain neighbour is home (and also, to be sure I'm keeping my water heater off all night and just heating up for 30 mins in the morning using the immersion for now)

Thanks again.
 
Last Plumber said:
No noise, very weird!
I'll give it more thought !
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When I say no noise, if you listen there is a low level throbbing sound and if I put my ear to the wall of my neighbour there's a rumbling in the wall, but none of that is a problem at all, it's the intense vibration in my floor that is.

Thanks for thinking it through, appreciate it!
 
No worries!
Have you got wooden floors ?

It's not next doors washing machine on spin or anything daft like that is it ?
 
A man around the corner is a structural engineer and he came in one lunchtime just to have a look around, he said 'well you've got concrete floors.' No idea how he knew, but apparently it's concrete floors, lol.

He had no idea but said if he had to guess it would be something to do with drainage. To me it sounds far too active for drainage. It does sound like a washing machine on a spin cycle but it's not because it goes on all day at weekends sometimes and during the week nights it goes on too long. Also the neighbour's have all said they are not using their washing machines in the early hours or after midnight. I believe them on that one.
 
Do you live near anything like a quarry or busy motorway ?
Or anywhere where drilling is active ?
 
Last Plumber said:
Do you live near anything like a quarry or busy motorway ?
Or anywhere where drilling is active ?
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No, thanks for considering it but it's not outside of the flats. I'm in a rural town and been here for ten years. No quarry, not the railway...

To me the biggest clue are that it occurs whena certain neighbour is in, occurs late at night and early hours ofthe morning and a pipe is leaking at the front of the building whenit's at it's worst (very intense in the middle of the night, between1am and 4am)


Thanks again :)
 
Sorry for poor spacing above, I'm having to type out my response on word and then copy and paste here now, for some reason my keyboard doesn't work well on this site!
 
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Rachiex said:
Ok an update. What can you gather from this so far?

There are only 3 possible neighbours in my block, one below me, one next to me on the first floor and one below him.

A lot of the time when I'm woken in the early hours both my next door (on my level) and the person beneath him are already up and getting ready for work (lights are on). The vibration often starts around or before this time. (it also sometimes goes like the clappers in the middle of the night, between midnight and four am sometimes continuously and it's like a mini earthquake in my flat).

The person beneath me has been kind enough to check all appliances with me and none of them caused a vibration, BUT we haven't checked whether the night water heater is doing it because we couldn't check that during the day (apparently it comes on by itself and she doesn't touch it, even if going away).

Here's something. A local plumber told me to watch two pipes on the front of my building. There was a long one that comes out of the wall of my flat and a short one, comes out of the wall of the downstairs flat. He said if either of them start dripping water when the vibration is taking place, it's a sign that someone's boiler is overheating.

Well a couple of times in the middle of the night when there is a mini earthquake going on, I've gone out and the shorter pipe is leaking water, regularly dripping.

Now in theory that would be coming from my downstairs neighbour's home, BUT I'm actually more of the belief that the vibration is coming from the flat next door, because it always seems to happen when that person is in or comes home and not otherwise.

Before I call anyone out (and I'm away most of this week and next on work trips), any thoughts on this one? Could that short pipe, even though it seems to be coming out of the downstairs flat, be coming from my next door neighbour on my first floor level? What would it's leaking point to?

This is starting to freak me out a bit because it really is intense at times (the last two nights in fact, perhaps due to drop in temperature) but all three neighbours say they don't feel or hear anything and I can't knock any of them up in the middle of the night yet, until I'm clearer on where it's coming from. Surely at some point something will give, my lounge floor and bedroom is vibrating intensely when it happens. I have a feeling my next door neighbour knows what it is as he seems to have avoided conversation about it with me. He also mentioned having had a valve replaced on his water heater and said he wished he could afford a new water heater. But of course it could be me just thinking that it's coming from there.

On another note I haven't a clue what people are talking about when they mention the ball cock in a cistern, how could that, going below a certain level cause such intense (mini earthquake type) vibrations across my flat?

Thanks for your time everyone.
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Anyone have any idea about this above? I'm just wondering whether to call a plumber out next week or give up and move. (the crucial thing being whether it's worth having a plumber come out if the vibration is not actually happening and/or even if it was happening, what can they possibly know from it alone with no other clues) Thanks.
 
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I am not a plumber so my suggestion is not a plumbing solution. While it would be great to get to the bottom of the problem and fix it, maybe a quicker easer solution is to reduce it's impact on you. What I mean is if it's the vibration that is waking you up then maybe stop the vibrations going to the bed. You can get anti vibration mounts, not intended for beds but they might work. Have a google for anti vibration mounts and see what you can find that can go between the bed and the floor.
Hope that gives you some ideas that you could try without bothering the neighbours.
Fingers crossed you can find a solution that gives you a good night sleep.
 
john999uk said:
I am not a plumber so my suggestion is not a plumbing solution. While it would be great to get to the bottom of the problem and fix it, maybe a quicker easer solution is to reduce it's impact on you. What I mean is if it's the vibration that is waking you up then maybe stop the vibrations going to the bed. You can get anti vibration mounts, not intended for beds but they might work. Have a google for anti vibration mounts and see what you can find that can go between the bed and the floor.
Hope that gives you some ideas that you could try without bothering the neighbours.
Fingers crossed you can find a solution that gives you a good night sleep.
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Thanks I appreciate the suggestion, I have tried virtually everything sadly and have been given the same advice by an audio specialist (he did say that some vibrations permeate everything though), sadly this vibration permeates everything..so now it's find the source or move (and I'm so exhausted moving is not appealing either at the moment). Appreciate the thought and I will have one last search though, thanks.
 
The reason I am posting again is I'm trying to arrive at a decision. I don't want to leave this in limbo for much longer.

I'm wondering if the reason there are no responses to my latest post is because it is a very complicated issue and difficult to find the source? If that's the case, please feel free to tell me what you're all thinking because I need this to stop one way or another, either by finding the source (and to me the evidence suggests downstair's water heater overheating, or next door neighbour's water heater) OR by making plans to move. I've been getting four hour's sleep a night for a year now and I have to stop the problem one way or the other.

thanks :)
 
Hello again.
Do you know if the neighbours have unvented hot water cylinders ?
If it's a pressure relief valve operating, they will open and shut rapidly. This gives a fast thumping that could possibly cause vibrations to travel depending on where the tank and pipework is in relation to your floor.
 
Last Plumber said:
Hello again.
Do you know if the neighbours have unvented hot water cylinders ?
If it's a pressure relief valve operating, they will open and shut rapidly. This gives a fast thumping that could possibly cause vibrations to travel depending on where the tank and pipework is in relation to your floor.
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Thanks Last Plumber


I've just looked it upand yes, I'm thinking that all the flats would have unvented as I'veheard no one talk here about a water tank in any loft, etc.


The neighbour who toldme his boiler was noisy, later told me he had a valve replaced and hedoes sometimes wonder whether it'll 'hold' but when I asked him if hefelt any vibration coming from it he said no and has avoided myrequests for switching things on in his flat to see if anythingcauses a vibration.


That said, I know thataround the time this all started last year, my downstairs neighbourhad a new water heater put in, but it was a couple of months afterthat that I noticed a problem. The downstairs neighbour also reportsthat all pipes from that water heater go down into the ground, not uptowards my flat.


I have 3 theories onthe go currently:



  1. It's the neighbour next door's water heater/boiler, who said it was noisy and really needed replacing
  2. It's the new water heater that was installed downstairs last year
  3. It's the neighbour next door's subwoofer (or whatever these things are)


Logic tells me it'sunlikely to be number 3 because it often happens when that neighbouris in bed and he gets up incredibly early for work, so unlikely to beup all night with subwoofer on, etc.


All the rest of theevidence points to number 1, from what he said and the fact that hehad a valve replaced....but also to number 2, because there's anoverflow copper pipe on the outside of downstairs' flat that issometimes rhythmically dripping water in the early hours when thevibration is going like the clappers, lol.


I think I'm going tosee what a plumber thinks as soon as I can and then, depending onwhat he works out, ask the landlady to speak to all adjoiningneighbours, failing that, plan to move.
 
Last Plumber said:
This gives a fast thumping that could possibly cause vibrations to travel depending on where the tank and pipework is in relation to your floor.
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If it were my neighbour, could he live with that sound in his own flat, in the middle of the night? I suppose if it's too expensive to replace then perhaps so.

I've learned one thing from all this, sound isn't as bad as vibration. You can learn to shut out sound, but not vibration.
 
I think favourite is number two. That pipe could be the one from the PRV
( pressure relief valve ).
The plumber will need to witness things to be able to identify anything I would expect.
Let us know his or her thoughts
 
Thanks for thinking it through with me Last Plumber. I have one reservation about it being number 2 (downstairs) and that is, whenever I'm woken in the early hours by the vibration, it always coincides with my side neighbour (and the one under him) being up and about getting ready for work at 4 – 5 am. The downstairs neighbour is often away.

That said the downstairs neighbour did say that her night water heater is on even when she's away and that pipe is the only concrete thing I've seen that points to something.

I'll let you know, my landlady will probably want to send out her own plumber but I will be keeping all the helpful people here in mind if they are nearby.

Thanks again, I'm intrigued to find out what it is now it's driving me crazy (and have friends telling me its a poltergeist, lol)
 
There's no plant room on the floor you're on with a pump in is there ?
 
No idea what a plant room is....I'm just in a first floor flat, I don't think there's much between me and the downstairs neighbour to be honest. Thanks. :)
 
Plant room has things in like boilers, pumps, water heaters etc so on and so on.

It was Just a thought.

You really need to ask the neighbours point blank if it's them.
I would suggest asking if they can have a night where the hot water is off.

There's a point. Does this happen when they're on holiday ?
 
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Last Plumber said:
Plant room has things in like boilers, pumps, water heaters etc so on and so on.

It was Just a thought.

You really need to ask the neighbours point blank if it's them.
I would suggest asking if they can have a night where the hot water is off.

There's a point. Does this happen when they're on holiday ?
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Thanks Last Plumber


My neighbour to theside on my level has not been away at all in the last year since it'sbeen going on.


The downstairsneighbour is away a few times a week but it still happens (but thecopper pipe is coming out of her flat, or appears to be, that said Icannot see any pipes coming out of the side neighbour's flat). Shedid say that the night water heater is on even if she's away as she'sbeen told to leave it like that.


I can ask them to leavethe water heater off but before I make a nuisance of myself I wantedto try and get as clear as possible where it might be coming from,because both neighbour's are convinced it's not coming from them. Ofcourse it's coming from somewhere.
 
I don't know if this is relevant at all but around 00.08 every night I hear a 'knock' sound (just one) coming from downstairs and then about 3 mins later the vibration starts.

Speaking to a plumber this week. The landlady from downstairs has conceded to speaking to this plumber too, though she mainly seemed to want to run me down and tell me it's not happening when she met with me, despite me saying that I merely wanted to rule her boiler out as a possible source.
 
As I said I am no plumber but if the 'knock' happens that regularly it would seem logical it is caused by either a timer going on or off. So your neighbours should be able to confirm quite easily tell you if their central heating or water heaters go on or off at about midnight. So you might not need a plumber to find out which appliance is causing the vibrations.
One question, when the clocks went back did the timing of the knock and vibration change?

As for your landlady not being too happy it's probably because she doesn't want to have to pay money out to fix something. It might be worth telling the landlady that if you can't get to the bottom of the noise you will have to look for somewhere else to live. You moving out will cost her, be that the time it takes to get a new tenant and loss of rent or an agents new tenant fees. Obviously don't say it in a threatening manner, 'you really don't want to move but you cant sleep so it is effecting your life', so can she help you stay there? So that way it is in her interest to help you resolve the issue.

Really hope you can get to the bottom of things and get it resolved.
 
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I think the knock sound did go back an hour with the clocks, it was happening at around 8 mins past 1am. But it's not consistent enough, like not every night. It was at the start of the year but not now.

I'm still reeling from the meeting I had with the landlady for downstairs! She's not the same as my own landlady (who is concerned about this but is waiting for a plumber to get back to her, one that she has used for years and years), it's a different landlady for the tenant downstairs.

But thanks for the advice John999uk, you make a good point there.

Sadly the landlady for downstairs met with me but didn't seem to want to be friendly in any way, was patronising and disbelieving about the whole thing and also told me not to speak to her tenant anymore (confusing since the tenant had actually told me she'd be willing to help in any way she could). This landlady has not responded to any of my communication over the past year.

Everyone keeps suggesting that I just get people to turn stuff off, etc, and test it....you wouldn't believe how hard it is. The guy next door doesn't respond when you make any requests and/or changes the subject and clearly doesn't want to help in any way for some reason and the girl downstairs talks so fast and wraps the conversation up in minutes (which seems deliberate) that nothing is done thoroughly and hence the full checks have not been done.

I called out a plumber today and paid for it myself, while I wait for my landlady to get her own plumber in. He said that if the pipe I mentioned is leaking water, then, from the look of the building, etc, it does appear to be the result of a pressure relief valve that he would think is coming from downstairs. However he was unsure about why there were no pipes for the side neighbours (so did theirs feed into mine and downstairs internally?).....and my intuition cannot rule out the side neighbours as it often seems to happen when they're in and not when they're out.

Anyway that's where I'm at with my quest to get more sleep and feel at home again, lol. The plumber was like 'ask your neighbour this' and that, etc, and I said I can't, it's crazy but I can't.
 
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on a slightly more positive note, the landlady for downstairs has conceded that a plumber can check her boiler if he thinks it necessary, so we'll see what happens. It may have nothing to do with downstairs, but the leaking pipe suggests a fault in any case (but it's a mystery that there are no outside pipes for the side flats....)
 
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