Vaillant Plus 831 v Ideal Vogue Logic Plus 40KW v Worcester Si Compact 30 KW

[naut2k0]

Hi All,

I just wrote a long post and then suddenly lost it when it came up to submit it .. :disappointed:

So here goes again, but a lite version incase it happens again and I can add some more info mid way :wink5:

I've had several people come and look at my current boiler and I am looking to get a new one, including a powerflush prior to a new kitchen being fitted.

House is a 1930s End of terrace property wih 7 rads and 1 towel rad. Currently boiler is an ancient 20 yr Potterton.

Flowrate of house is 20l/min near the stopcock tested at the external hose pipe and 9.5l/min at the kitchen sink.

I have been suggested by different fitters as follows:

1) British Gas - Worcester Si Compant 30 KW - 12.3l/min (10 year warranty as long as I go with Homeserve 200) - £4.1k + (£15-18per month after year 1)
2) Independent - Vaillant Plus 831 24KW - 12.7l/min (7yr warranty) - £3.5k
3) Independent - Ideal Vogue Logic Plus 40 KW - 16.4l/min - £3.7k - (5yr warranty)

Questions I have are:

1)flowrate, eventhough my cold water flow is 20l/min, what realistically would my flowrate be for HW and CH and should I think about having the higher flowrate of the Ideal?
2)warranty, because I will be having a power flush, does the varying warranty matter?
3)boiler, I know each engineer has a preference and pretty much the models above were suggested are these all on par, do people have a preference?
4)loft conversion, looking at future proofing, will these be okay if an en suite is to be added at a later date?

I think that's it for now :wink5:

Thanks in advance! I can provide more info if necessary!

Naut

 

[naut2k0]

And that pipework is a mess if I'm honest. Looks a right mash up, I don't care what anyone says.

Yeah, I might ask him to do it again tbh, not sure how he will react ?!? :banghead:

 

[Rickster123]

I'm calling DIY job. And for that reason I'm oooout!

 

[naut2k0]

I'm calling DIY job. And for that reason I'm oooout!

WOW okay .... Do I need to post a picture of the guys van tomorrow to prove it's not me? I don't want to put the guy out of business but I will if need be!

I actually need some advice please as when I asked him about the valve he didn't think it was necessary!

 

[Rickster123]

I don't want to offend. But who in their right mind employs a person to work on a gas appliance in their home when they clearly have a total lack of trust or faith in their abilities?! Honest opinion is the work doesn't look great. But you know that. It doesn't take an "expert" to spot that. So why are you persevering? Cheapness?

 

[vern]

I think you are an air con or refrigeration guy? 2 things how did you get pictures of an incomplete install, there's is no pressure in the boiler when pics were taken, so you either blatantly did this infront of " your guy" or you fit it yourself, swaging of pipes in the 2 trades mentioned above is thier trick, I know some GSR's do this but most use sockets!

 

[naut2k0]

I don't want to offend. But who in their right mind employs a person to work on a gas appliance in their home when they clearly have a total lack of trust or faith in their abilities?! Honest opinion is the work doesn't look great. But you know that. It doesn't take an "expert" to spot that. So why are you persevering? Cheapness?

He was recommended ! We were getting a new kitchen and I thought it would be a good time to get the boiler done! The reason I can take the pictures is because I actually live here .... he's been each day to redo the floor in the kitchen, fix the ceiling, plaster, power flush etc

Perhaps it's my mistake for picking someone who can do pretty much everything and I should have gone for just someone who does boilers ...

 

[naut2k0]

I think you are an air con or refrigeration guy? 2 things how did you get pictures of an incomplete install, there's is no pressure in the boiler when pics were taken, so you either blatantly did this infront of " your guy" or you fit it yourself, swaging of pipes in the 2 trades mentioned above is thier trick, I know some GSR's do this but most use sockets!

See my previous post on how I got the pictures ....

 

[vern]

See my previous post on how I got the pictures ....

Ha ha you have a "sparky joiner" busted! Does everything badly

 

[Ermintrude]

I'm surprised no one mentioned the two little screws holding up the bracket for this big heavy boiler lol

Ideal supply it with two 8mm coach bolts and plugs that's it. We use six 150mm concrete hex screws

 

[dancinplumba]

Ideal supply it with two 8mm coach bolts and plugs that's it. We use six 150mm concrete hex screws

As do most boiler Manu's. Adequate, its the material they are going into that's important

 

[Ermintrude]

Your fitter some sort of cretin? The valves on heating and hot water are back to front. Check valve (long one ) goes on cold water and short one on heating! Read the mfrs instructions!!!!!!!! Bit of paper comes in packet with filling loop showing orientation !!!!!!!!

 

[naut2k0]

Yeh vogue and logic same flue system. Pipe work same at bottom I think.

The daylight coming through behind the bracket is a bit of a problem though. Wall should be made good inside and out. Not permitted to have a vent or penetration within 300mm of a flue.

Get the holes filled then get your self a free gas safe inspection because your fitter is a !!!!

I'd like to get a free gas safe inspection after all the comments on here but from this link: Free gas safety inspection

It states " We will select work for inspection from the nominations submitted and if your property is selected we will contact you within six months to arrange a site visit. Unfortunately we cannot inspect every installation and therefore advise that your property may not be selected for inspection and you may not be contacted. "

I'd like to be certain of getting one - is there any other way?

 

[Ermintrude]

Your fitter is a cretin. The filling loop is still wrong. Long one on cold short one on ch. is he blind? In the packet he got bits out of is a diagram, it's in the book, even the freakin valve is labeled.

Swaged joints are a bit of a strange one, a soldering westco 15mm coupler costs me 11p. Is lad gas safe? Just go on website and check .... Please for your and your family's sake!

 

[Ermintrude]

Yes call gas safe tell them you think your installation is unsafe after speaking to a qualified you would like to raise a complaint about the installer..... Oh but he will probably only get a letter from GS . Hope he's got a flue gas analyser!

 

[dancinplumba]

Hahahahahah here we go

 

[Ermintrude]

Ha ha where are we off to?

 

[phil the bucket]

I don't want to offend. But who in their right mind employs a person to work on a gas appliance in their home when they clearly have a total lack of trust or faith in their abilities?! Honest opinion is the work doesn't look great. But you know that. It doesn't take an "expert" to spot that. So why are you persevering? Cheapness?

We should all put a picture of are next gas boiler installation or combi swap what do u think.
It's easy to come on here and criticise somebody's work its not the best in my option but its not the worst I've seen either.
Applumbing I agree why have somebody in ure house u don't trust doesn't make sense to me get a few more quotes from other plumbing firms ( u can get a feel for somebody who would do a good job )
A person who says then can do everything alarm bells should have been ringing straight away
Don't mean to a offend just saying

 

[naut2k0]

I don't want to offend. But who in their right mind employs a person to work on a gas appliance in their home when they clearly have a total lack of trust or faith in their abilities?! Honest opinion is the work doesn't look great. But you know that. It doesn't take an "expert" to spot that. So why are you persevering? Cheapness?

I have full trust and faith in his abilities. I've seen other work he has done and I wasn't checking up on him. I just wanted to share the whole experience with everyone on here especially as it's a relatively new boiler. In fact my first post was to decide on what boiler to get (can't leave a story unfinished can I?)

Then I started getting comments from people, which made me investigate further.

There is nothing wrong with that? I actually feel bad that I have to tell him he has done it wrong! He will actually wonder how I know!!

 

[Ermintrude]

I have full trust and faith in his abilities. I've seen other work he has done and I wasn't checking up on him. I just wanted to share the whole experience with everyone on here especially as it's a relatively new boiler. In fact my first post was to decide on what boiler to get (can't leave a story unfinished can I?)

Then I started getting comments from people, which made me investigate further.

There is nothing wrong with that? I actually feel bad that I have to tell him he has done it wrong! He will actually wonder how I know!!

He knows what's wrong! He is a cowboy! Looks like it was done on a price on a Saturday by a crack addict!

 

[dancinplumba]

Steady...insult to crack addicts

 

[naut2k0]

We should all put a picture of are next gas boiler installation or combi swap what do u think.
It's easy to come on here and criticise somebody's work its not the best in my option but its not the worst I've seen either.
Applumbing I agree why have somebody in ure house u don't trust doesn't make sense to me get a few more quotes from other plumbing firms ( u can get a feel for somebody who would do a good job )
A person who says then can do everything alarm bells should have been ringing straight away
Don't mean to a offend just saying

Again, I did get several quotes (see first post) and I have full trust in his abilities. He doesn't do it all alone either. This is my first time that I've actually had a new boiler fitted, so I just wanted to seek experienced feedback from people on here (actually a friends recommended it ..!)

It's been an eye opener so I thank everyone!

 

[Ermintrude]

We should all put a picture of are next gas boiler installation or combi swap what do u think.
It's easy to come on here and criticise somebody's work its not the best in my option but its not the worst I've seen either.
Applumbing I agree why have somebody in ure house u don't trust doesn't make sense to me get a few more quotes from other plumbing firms ( u can get a feel for somebody who would do a good job )
A person who says then can do everything alarm bells should have been ringing straight away
Don't mean to a offend just saying

Defo a gr8 idea

 

[Ermintrude]

Again, I did get several quotes (see first post) and I have full trust in his abilities. He doesn't do it all alone either. This is my first time that I've actually had a new boiler fitted, so I just wanted to seek experienced feedback from people on here (actually a friends recommended it ..!)

It's been an eye opener so I thank everyone!

Have u found him on GS register?

 

[naut2k0]

Your fitter is a cretin. The filling loop is still wrong. Long one on cold short one on ch. is he blind? In the packet he got bits out of is a diagram, it's in the book, even the freakin valve is labeled.

Swaged joints are a bit of a strange one, a soldering westco 15mm coupler costs me 11p. Is lad gas safe? Just go on website and check .... Please for your and your family's sake!

Yes he is! I checked before, and I have just checked again.

 

[Richie_77]

Defo a gr8 idea

Que google images neat copper pipework

 

[Leo21]

I'm inclined to believe the op about the fitter. Yes it's a bit rough, but barring swapping a few valves and the boiler not falling off the wall I'm sure it'll be safe.
Iff his works that untidy I wouldn't have him do anymore work for me, definately not the kitchen. I can't imagine what will be hidden behind the units.
Jack of all trades master of none springs to mind.