Unsafe Situations, What would you class these as?

[TFGplumbing]

I went to a job yesterday to service a boiler which went fine, I did a tightness test for good measure, found a leak and repaired. It was on the cooker; Where you connect the Flexy into the back of the cooker, some idiot had not used gas tape to seal the joint. Tut Tut

Anyway the bayonet fitting had been set upwards instead of downwards - I issued an Advice notice NCS

A section of pipework outside was not clipped correctly had wobble on it - I issued an Advice notice NCS

No earthing on the meter - I issued an Advice notice NCS

No earthing on the boiler pipework - I issued an Advice notice NCS

No emergancy contact details on the meter - I issued an Advice notice NCS

No operation details for the ECV you know yellow tape that states the how to operate it - I issued an Advice notice NCS

I dont know wether these count as ncs but I issued an advice notice anyway

Blow off not as safely terminated as i would have liked - I issued an Advice notice NCS

Condense pipe work in overflow outside and freezes sometimes the customer told me - I issued an Advice notice NCS

Ive got a visit from the gas man on the 30th of this month, because Iam on my probation period and iam just hoping ive done everything right! :S Iam worried, have I been to lenient or too tough? Ive made sure the installation is gas tight and safe Which is more than the other idiot had done when he installed their cooker, I hope ive done enough.

Iam servicing their gas fire next week and frankly Iam dreading what iam going to find! because the standard of gas work in the house is TERRIBLE!

 

[gasmarc]

Go with the flow sounds good to me :chillpill:

 

[E4gas]

I was told more then 2 NCS on a property not allowed

 

[tamz]

I was told more then 2 NCS on a property not allowed

Open flues and ventilation

 

[CMairiD]

I carry labels with me and just label up rather than write out NCS. Quicker!

 

[kirkgas]

I was told more then 2 NCS on a property not allowed

"related" NCS can escalate an install to AR, on open flued appliances if you have one vent fault and one flue fault this stacks up to AR, however on a room sealed boiler you have 13a fuse in spur and boiler is 299mm above worktop when it should be 300mm do not stack up to AR as they are not related and one will not have an adverse effect on the other, there are millions of NCS which do not stack to make NCS, so on a room sealed appliance you could have 14 different NCS and still call the whole install NCS

lets have a competition to see how many NCS's we can get on one real install over the next few weeks and scare ourselves half to death

 

[kirkgas]

I was told more then 2 NCS on a property not allowed

more than 2 is 3, so are you saying 2 NCS's is still NCS

 

[E4gas]

Cheers lads , bit late for my Brain to work ..

 

[Rob Sale]

Cooker point bayonet AR . as it was leaking and was not fitted in a competent way.

 

[TFGplumbing]

The Look on the customers face when I handed Over the NCS paper work, her face dropped, She said "Iam not going to get prosecuted am I?" I replied "No of course not, But I might do If I dont make you aware of these issuses, your system is safe; Just not to current industry standards"

Now i was just wondering If you can Get "Concern for safety" labels, I just feel that the are more appropriate in some cases than NCS notices. I read somwhere in my bpec domestic gas safey book I think that BG uses them.

 

[TFGplumbing]

I Fixed that Rob with the customers permission and the system was Tight afterwards. I would have put it as AR or ID and d/c if they had not wanted me to fix it.

 

[tamz]

Concern for safety labels are used by the gas suppliers as their guys may or may not be trained to fully recognise faults.

 

[kirkgas]

I Fixed that Rob with the customers permission and the system was Tight afterwards. I would have put it as AR or ID and d/c if they had not wanted me to fix it.

i missed the leaking bayonet from the first read, leaking due to poor work is ID & RIDDOR, but as you have fixed it nothing would have been down about it

 

[TFGplumbing]

The thing is they have had the cooker, for over a year, And it had proberly been leaking since its install; which to me is a scary prospect

 

[AWheating]

many diyer's fit cookers without any tape or compound, so i would suggest it was fitted by a non registered person. The missing emergency labels on the gas meter should be reported to the gas supplier and the on off tape but its easyier to carry a roll and put some on. Saves time and a warning notice.

 

[stevetheplumber]

yes tape is cheaper than a form

 

[fishnchips]

Hi TFG, with reference to your initial post; to me you seem like your doing the job correctly in terms of gas safety although the blow off and condense issues for me i would just advise on the possibilities of what could happen rather than writing out a NCS (paperwork is expensive)
Keep up the good work and you'll have no problems when you get the visit!

 

[desrob]

I was told more then 2 NCS on a property not allowed

there's a lot to be said for good old common sense....!!

 

[tamz]

there's a lot to be said for good old common sense....!!

Although it is not so common any more!!

 

[hydrotherm]

PRV not safely terminated is AR isnt it .

 

[gasmarc]

depends where I would think ? common sense again , What's paperwork by the way lol

 

[Hybrid]

So you're the one responsible for the out of control deforestation lol> You don't need all that paperwork, there's no requirement to issue notices for NCS, just note on one form.
Also some of those aren't gas safety issues. Prv pipework terminating incorrectly is a matter of the building regs, you can't apply the unsafe situations procedure to it. Likewise for condensate pipework not to building regs.

You may have Terry Hughs for your gas safe visit. Nice bloke just don't issue paperwork for every NCS, he'll look at you like you have three heads.

 

[TFGplumbing]

Yeh I know the PRV & condense were really gas issuses, but i thought what the hell, cant do any harm!

 

[Hobo128]

I read somewhere that 3 Ncs works as 3 NCS but 2 AR is An ID. Quick question about purging. I serviced an appliance the other day and had to do an appliance relight, The gas pipe is under the floor and i cant access it so couldnt work out the installation volume and purge volume to purge properly. In the end i had to just use my head and try to work out how long the pipe was under the floor to work out a purge volume. Maybe i have gone over board and should have just opened the cooker untill i could smell gas. What does anyone think?

 

[tamz]

I think you should keep reading your books! Multiple NCS is only applied to flues and ventilation and AR is not ***ulative.
In a domestic situation if the gas supply is <=28mm the purge volume is 0.01m3. You don't need to calculate anything.