Is this acceptable?

[lame plumber]

it would not have taken much effort to have used the o.ld notch, tidied the old Ts up and run the 10mm off a tee used for the 15mm all in one go with ef fittings. Re the coving I tend to drill some holes and fill in after, I hate plastic conduit and prefer tidy drops tight into the corner, which can be covered in with some boxing in if the customer wants.

Looks more handy man job or makee learnee plumber early on in their career who needs a bit of a slapping

An electric pipe freezer would have solved any drain down issues as well.

 

[REDSAW]

The joists notches strangely look very freshly cut, yet I assume there have always been pipes there before. Cowboy job though, - there should never have been 2 notches cut as all it needed was one set of 15mm pipes and tees off them between the joists. I really despair how poor jobs are done. It's like a first day apprentice would do if left alone. I give no excuse to that work.
The Ballofix valves can leak without being touched. Heat destroys the seals inside them, - I have seen some leaking.
Also, why would Ballofix valves, or any valves be fitted there? How would that make a job easier when new tees were to be fitted? If you needed to keep the branch pipe sealed, it could have been done with a temporary stopend and then push the pipe into the tee later.

hear what your saying.
but the guy had probably fitted it got paid and off to another job while you were still thinking about it!
its all down to 'how much' and how long to do the job is what you get.
if someone asked me to do it for £150 that would do me, £250 and i will re-route pipes, pin the joist, solder the joints & even fill in the coving
ballofix wont leak, the lime scale will stop that unless opened and closed!!

 

[newcastle phill]

Original pipework is kinked to hell (top left) and looks like got massive blob of solder on (previous leak ??? )
Looking at the small bore coming off the Tee toward the top centre - that is kinked too but original ????
Notches could have been done different with a bit of pipework creativity using one notch.
Ball valves a matter of choice but i think pointless and inaccessible when flooring down..
Conduit is conduit - love it or hate it. Other way would have been a couple of battons and a bit plasterboard and skim.
If he had the right tools that cornice could have been preserved almost to fit the conduit ( multi tool anyone )

Its rough - but what did you pay amd what we're the other quotes ?

 

[Howsie]

No temporary fittings under the floor...

Service valves? Drain it, freeze it or go home.

 

[lame plumber]

No temporary fittings under the floor...

have them on the wall

 

[REDSAW]

No temporary fittings under the floor...

that include the jguest pushfits then?

 

[Howsie]

I would say so.

 

[goz666]

My eyes are fading fast and my glasses don't seem to be helping but pic2 looks like he has 15mm coming off one ball-o-fix, then 15mm to a 15-10 straight comp reducing socket. Looks like two 15mm pipes downstairs though, or is it my eyes ??

Sorry, looking again it could be 10mm through a reducer coming off that ball-o-fix, can't see it too well though !!

 

[REDSAW]

I would say so.

better they rip up all the new build floors up around here then, the city is full of pushfit heating systems!

personaly i'd rather not as i wouldnt want blaming for one that decided to leak after, keeping all joints above floor level.
but, if needs be no problem. i find they leak just as much as a floorboard nail through the pipe.lol

 

[JCplumb]

A plumbing company came out to my mums about 15 years ago to install central heating, they did something similar to one of her joists, it was a doubled up joist that supported an internal brick wall.
I pulled the guy up about it and he said it's fine, they do it all the time. I was in my second year of my plumbing course and it had been drilled into us that you can only notch 1/8th of a joist and there's only a certain part of the span you can notch.
Anyway, ended up phoning his supervisor, who agreed with him, so called the head office. They sent a structural engineer round (said I'd have to pay £120/hour if no problem was found) who condemned it and acro propped it until they could get someone to strengthen it to building regs. The total cost to the plumbing company was about 2 grand.
This was a well known company too.
So my advice, looking at those 'notches' would be to get someone in who is qualified to assess them and go from there.
Inform the 'plumber' that you're doing this and give him the option of putting it right. If there's no problem - you pay the bill for having them looked at, if he actually has undermined the strength of that joist to a point where it is unsafe, then he pays for the remedial work.

I don't like to call another plumbers work, you never know what the circumstances were, I've done some jobs I wasn't completely happy with because of customers insisting on keeping the price down and cutting corners, but that is bad, I'd be livid if it was my house.

 

[Best]

hear what your saying.
but the guy had probably fitted it got paid and off to another job while you were still thinking about it!
its all down to 'how much' and how long to do the job is what you get.
if someone asked me to do it for £150 that would do me, £250 and i will re-route pipes, pin the joist, solder the joints & even fill in the coving
ballofix wont leak, the lime scale will stop that unless opened and closed!!

I must admit that entire job would have taken me as much as a day perhaps to do it right. Definitely half a day for sure.
And the only bit the customer only usually sees is the rad and pipe drops.

 

[Howsie]

It's in the regs somewhere isn't it. No temporary fittings below ground.

 

[REDSAW]

It's in the regs somewhere isn't it. No temporary fittings below ground.

yeh, for gas fittings!

 

[REDSAW]

I must admit that entire job would have taken me as much as a day perhaps to do it right. Definitely half a day for sure.
And the only bit the customer only usually sees is the rad and pipe drops.

and the price they paid in comparison to the 'other bloke' who was twice as much!!!

 

[Howsie]

yeh, for gas fittings!

Old and confused.