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Also, engineer said grundfos pump was working otherwise radiators would not heat up upstairs ... But he did also say he took silver screw off and it was working ?
 
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I'm pleased its giving you a laugh guys, and its certainly wrecking my head .... But please take pity and give me some proper suggestions as to where to go next ... Or if any of you are near to South London ...
 
Re: Householder here, pls help, downstairs rads cold, enginineer stumped after power

not always the case spindle in the pump can spin even though pump aint working or csn spin slower
 
Re: Householder here, pls help, downstairs rads cold, enginineer stumped after power

put your hot water on how is the temp on the boiler does it rise regular or rapid
 
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peeps aint laughing its text talk
 
Re: Householder here, pls help, downstairs rads cold, enginineer stumped after power

The 2 rads that struggled before are either, undersized pipework or sludge is restricting the flow to them. by fitting the second pump your curing a problem with another problem. Remove the second pump have a new pump fitted to the boiler.

Sometimes a power flush is not the answer as some systems are too far gone.
 
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First step should be to remove the external pump, unless you have an extremely large system I can't think why you'd need an extra pump. Just because it is rotating does not mean it is working, the fins could have snapped on the impeller. The external pump could actually be causing a restriction in the system.

The radiator he powerflushed from, what size is the pipework supplying it? Drinking straw sized or larger? If it is drinking straw sized (8 or 10mm) the powerflush will have been next to useless.
 
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Plumber 0808, thank you. I understand what you are saying, but we were warm once the new grundfos was fitted! Will try with new pump to boiler then. By 'too far gone', does that mean replacing system, or is there something other than power flush to remove sludge.

Tom - hot water only been on for about an hour. Boiler temp seems to be fluctuating between 75 down to around 63 ...
 
Re: Householder here, pls help, downstairs rads cold, enginineer stumped after power

you needsomeone to check the resistance on the sensors to start with k
 
Re: Householder here, pls help, downstairs rads cold, enginineer stumped after power

Thanks for all your advice guys; Ricky, no idea what size the pipe work is Im afraid....
 
Re: Householder here, pls help, downstairs rads cold, enginineer stumped after power

We had a similar problem this week, from what most here are saying the pump is playing a vital part in the problem.

That wasn't the case for us, the rads that were not working needed new valves. They were 35 years old though and had never been touched since new. Changed valves, refilled and every radiator was piping hot.
 
Re: Householder here, pls help, downstairs rads cold, enginineer stumped after power

It may also be worth fitting a magna clean to the system as it stops all the sludge from passing through your boiler and the rest of the system.
 
Re: Householder here, pls help, downstairs rads cold, enginineer stumped after power

I know its late in the thread to reply but a 15/60 pump is a meaty pump which should move it round BUT like all others say there shouldnt be any reason to fit an external pump, if the boiler has one ( unless its a massive house and youve got low loss headers etc). The best course of action is like above replace internal boiler pump and get a good word of mouth firm or plumber to spend a day properly treating, flushing and cleansing ur system...good luck.
 
Re: Householder here, pls help, downstairs rads cold, enginineer stumped after power

Thank you to everyone that has replied. Take the point that the engineer should know you can't run two pumps .... But he was not the one that fitted new grundfos 15 months ago at a cost of £ 360 ... However, it worked and all rads hot for first time!

Sorry if this is a daft question, I am a woman with very limited knowledge ... Do all boilers have a pump in them? Surely not, otherwise why would you have a pump in airing cupboard which so many people seem to have?

Usually older heat only ones don't have the pump, newer ones does have (especially combis). Extra pump probably was fitted to increase the preassure and push water through the blockage.

It looks like there is a VERY SERIOUS restriction(s) of the flow in the system. The chemicals used before the powerflush had loosened a few clumps of sludge, which had probably blocked the orifice... It may be in/near the pump, gate valves, boiler, its heat exchanger, sludged up droppers, anywhere (but I would suspect the main circuit first, since the boiler is cycling). You need to get yourself a Good Professional (Like user Bunker or most others on this forum)) or Good Hobby plumber (DIYer who had worked with radiators AND plumbing before, and his family/friends were pleased with his work), who is ready to spend at least 1-2 FULL DAYS overhauling the WHOLE system. He will need a hand with radiators (very likely), so have one more strong lad available.- Check the flow resistance trough each system part, flush EACH dropper/radiator INDIVIDUALLY/DIRECTLY, remove the radiator/gate valves, if there is lack of good flow. Also you'll want someone, who is ready to replace parts of piping, if they are still restricted...

Read/print this: (http://www.ukplumbersforums.co.uk/c...olution-how-do-proper-cheap-job-yourself.html), to give you some idea of the proper (after)flush, and don't leave the job unattended. If done by pro - the protocol can be varied, but still should be done THROUGHLY. The flusher connection to ONLY RADIATOR won't cut it...

If they have a power flush machine - attach it instead of the Pump, to the boiler, coil (if you've got one) and EACH dropper pair and also each radiator directly, and flush untill clear...
Do fit good magnetic filter to the boiler return at the end (may go instead of the secondary pump, if the boiler has one.

Before taking everything to bits, you can try listening for the water noise, when the pump or flusher is running - it may pinpoint the location of the blockage - noise is similar to half open tap or toilet cistern fill up (esp near the end). If it's sludge blockage, it may not be audible (longer orifice).
 
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