Back boiler in bedroom?

[ed209]

If you really want to ID look out for signs of spillage

 

[snowhead]

Only turn off with AR. ID you cap off

With I.D you have to cap.
With A.R you don't have to but nothing stops you from actually doing it.

 

[lame plumber]

With I.D you have to cap.
With A.R you don't have to but nothing stops you from actually doing it.

ding ding round 5

 

[Mike Jackson]

It's all very well saying that you will cap off an AR situation but the guidelines stipulate that it can only be done with the permission of the responsible person. You now need to explain to them why the back boiler that has been working fine for 20 years and still appears to be working fine is now immediately dangerous.

As long as you stick to the regs you are covered. Just make sure that you get people to sign everything and explain the possible consequences should they continue to use the appliance.

I'm all for gas safety but I need to make a living and getting a reputation as that bloke that keeps disconnecting stuff when it's not necessary doesn't help my cash flow.

People are in danger of putting their underpants on over their trousers and starring in the new super hero movie - Captain Over Zealous.

 

[hammers4spanner]

The real point is that you acknowledge the issue wether AR or ID and inform and address the issue with cust because i can tell you now the way this industry is at the moment i reckon a good percentage of gas engineers would not even recognise the issue and crack on and service it.

some of the stuff i'm seeing at the moment is horrific

 

[snowhead]

It's all very well saying that you will cap off an AR situation but the guidelines stipulate that it can only be done with the permission of the responsible person. You now need to explain to them why the back boiler that has been working fine for 20 years and still appears to be working fine is now immediately dangerous.
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You have to explain why it's At Risk (of being a danger) to get permission to turn it off for A.R.

The phrase Immediately Dangerous doesn't need to come into the conversation as it's not appropriate.

 

[Mike Jackson]

You have to explain why it's At Risk (of being a danger) to get permission to turn it off for A.R.

The phrase Immediately Dangerous doesn't need to come into the conversation as it's not appropriate.

If immediately dangerous doesn't come into the conversation neither should capping off as it is not the appropriate action for an AR appliance. My point was that if you are saying it should be capped off you are implying that it is ID.

 

[firemant]

You don't need permission to turn it off under AR. You only turn it off at the customer control, or maybe the electrical isolation, apply the paperwork, and the client then decides whether to continue to use it.

You need permission to disconnect.

 

[Reg Man]

ID or AR it won't be used. Lets look at it on a legal position. Your standing in court in front of some smart arse barrister; he questions you on your actions in ID'ing the BBU in a bedroom, then throws the IUSSP in your face and says that you are not competent because the industry procedure says this is AR, so why did you say it was ID. Credibility undermined round 1 to the accused.

 

[kirkgas]

ID or AR it won't be used. Lets look at it on a legal position. Your standing in court in front of some smart arse barrister; he questions you on your actions in ID'ing the BBU in a bedroom, then throws the IUSSP in your face and says that you are not competent because the industry procedure says this is AR, so why did you say it was ID. Credibility undermined round 1 to the accused.

Exactly my view point on this, if I comply with THEIR regs I cannot be held accountable or their system is at fault and that won't be allowed to happen.
Ok as mrs T says perhaps we want a reg change but until that happens I'm using their rules and won't be held as incompetent for choosing what regs I comply with and what regs I change to suit my opinion

 

[kirkgas]

You don't need permission to turn it off under AR. You only turn it off at the customer control, or maybe the electrical isolation, apply the paperwork, and the client then decides whether to continue to use it.

You need permission to disconnect.

Are you sure about this statement?

 

[dancinplumba]

Ridiculous is all this, specially as it's an open forum

 

[hammers4spanner]

Ridiculous is all this, specially as it's an open forum

agree just sounds like nobody knows what they are doing

 

[bewsh]

Isn't there a silly rule that if someone is using the room as a bedroom due to serious illness (unable to go upstairs, etc...) that it's only NCS instead of AR as well? Or am I thinking of something else?

 

[hammers4spanner]

Isn't there a silly rule that if someone is using the room as a bedroom due to serious illness (unable to go upstairs, etc...) that it's only NCS instead of AR as well? Or am I thinking of something else?

in other words you saw one today in this scenario and put ncs