why have a FGA acs assement

[SimonJohns]

Looking back, most of the boilers i install DONT require a FGA. I just do it as a matter of course. Sorry got confused between installation instructions/ servicing & benchmark.

All the dom boilers I've done. Only ever FGA 1. That was an LPG converted one

All the others. Never!

Btw. This is only commission not service

 

[kirkgas]

So can you install a boiler and commission it without a fga?

if you choose the right one you can, read the MI

 

[kirkgas]

not from the 1st of april

you dont need an analyser on 01-04-12, but you do need a ticket saying you are competant to use one from then, but in reality you could do your job properly and fully for the 5yr life of the ticket and NEVER touch an analyser

 

[kirkgas]

As ive said before, the only people making real money in the gas industry these days are the training centres and the people that we have to register with. If you turned round to a joiner and said: now then mr tradesman you spend 5 years of your life training in your profession and then we will force you back into college every 5 years and charge you a small ransom for the privlege of it and then add a steady stream of extra qualifications over your working life to extract more of your hard earned money from you but at least we will smile at you whilst we take your money." he would wrap knock you unconcious with his 6 foot spirit and say "on your bike". Rant over.:cuss:

do you actually know anyone who has access to financial records of any training centres? who says they are making money? we charge £40 (+£45 cert fee) plus VAT for CPA assessment (ok we assess 3 or 4 at a time for a 1.5hr assessment, out of the £40 i print the training notes and exam papers, wages and running costs, it aint buying me my jag this year

 

[kirkgas]

Let me clear something up here.
Looking at the past few posts there are individuals that believe you can work on a zero governed boiler, wither it being commissioning or servicing without having to carry out a FGA to confirm safe operation?
Am I picking this up right?

you arent picking up what some are saying, some are quite rightly saying if you only INSTALL certain boilers you dont need an analyser, but if you service or repair you do,

 

[kirkgas]

I thought you had to have this by April, to install boilers, flueless fires etc because that is the it's going.

you are quoting 2 different types of appliance, you do not need an analyser to fit EVERY boiler, i know this for a fact, i BELIEVE you do need an analyser to fit flueless gas fires (any i have seen require you to check ratio on commissioning, someone may advice of some that dont require it)

 

[kirkgas]

Looking back, most of the boilers i install DONT require a FGA. I just do it as a matter of course. Sorry got confused between installation instructions/ servicing & benchmark.

see, dont get confused by what you must do and what you tell us you do, haha

 

[armourer]

do you actually know anyone who has access to financial records of any training centres? who says they are making money? we charge £40 (+£45 cert fee) plus VAT for CPA assessment (ok we assess 3 or 4 at a time for a 1.5hr assessment, out of the £40 i print the training notes and exam papers, wages and running costs, it aint buying me my jag this year

Oh no, does this mean you are traveling around in last years Jag?
I'm disappointed Kirk

 

[tamz]

Nothing to add here as Kirk fancied nothing on the telly and answered it all.

Oh 1 thing i can add. Although it is not a requirement to hold and use a FGA for some types of work they are pushing to change the GSIUR to make it compulsory. (see Decembers gas engineer or installer mag or whatever one it was in) so everyone will have to splash out in the next year or 2.

 

[Mike Jackson]

When I got made redundant and went self employed I decided that there were 4 essential things that I needed to invest in. Gas Safe Registration, Public Liability insurance, further training and a FGA. I could have just taken out some public liability and gone out plumbing but I decided to invest in the tools and equipment that enable me to earn better money.

You need to look at the ongoing costs of training, equipment maintenance etc. and set your prices at a level that covers these costs and gives you a decent wage.

I've stood in merchants chatting to people about prices and I am charging twice what some local fitters are charging. I've been told that I'll never get any work at those rates when I've been on my way out to do a job at precisely those rates. I don't want to work for people that want a cheap job done, I want to work for people that want a decent job done and are willing to pay a decent rate for it. Too many people in this industry undersell themselves.

 

[kirkgas]

Nothing to add here as Kirk fancied nothing on the telly and answered it all.

Oh 1 thing i can add. Although it is not a requirement to hold and use a FGA for some types of work they are pushing to change the GSIUR to make it compulsory. (see Decembers gas engineer or installer mag or whatever one it was in) so everyone will have to splash out in the next year or 2.

on the numbers game GSR have worked out that most people will need to do their CCN1 within the next couple of yrs and will get CPA1 included in it so the pain could be minimal

 

[fuzzy]

why have a acs element on fgas. when there is no requirment to own a calibrated analayser to be on the gas safe register

soon it will be built into the core so wont be an additional element. it needs to be at the moment because you need a fga for certain boilers and fires

 

[fuzzy]

on the numbers game GSR have worked out that most people will need to do their CCN1 within the next couple of yrs and will get CPA1 included in it so the pain could be minimal

but they need it now?

 

[johnp]

i analyse every new boiler i fit and commission but i have not come across a boiler in recent memory that requires the use of an analyser on commissioning in its instructions?

please name some?

Remaha
Viessman
The new Worcester Bosch (model name escapes me)
Plus a few others!

 

[stevetheplumber]

wish it was that cheap in london kirk £150plus dreaded here and ive been told its a complete waste of a morning if you already know where the on of switch is
worst is my tickets are all up early next year so ill never get in synch