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Yes I do all my 26(9) checks on every single visit...why?
Hang on so we've got a faulty pcb with ch demand,a faulty pcb sending stray voltage to a fan,a faulty fan pcb,a faulty pcb not checking resistance of flue stat,a faulty flue stat....come on...!
Let's just say for fun it's got a gas leak shall we? Make it sound a little more like an ID so you look like you're right? Lol
Hang on so we've got a faulty pcb with ch demand,a faulty pcb sending stray voltage to a fan,a faulty fan pcb,a faulty pcb not checking resistance of flue stat,a faulty flue stat....come on...!
Let's just say for fun it's got a gas leak shall we? Make it sound a little more like an ID so you look like you're right? Lol
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working on whats been said a boiler with a blown fuse is id as your unable to test the safety devices
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Ermintrude
Well no because you are allowed to test an appliance that has defective saftey devices in order that you repair or make safe.
I usually hate BG and E-on (now help link) but a pcb fault is a serious one. Bus fault can be caused by 1 or 2 v dc!
Disagree again I'm afraid. At risk. Because you can't test a safety device means you can't confirm it's safe, that doesn't make it dangerous. If you can't access a gas meter in a non emergency situation, it's AR,just because you can't do a tightness on it doesn't mean it's leaking,therefore ID.
cant access a flue...doesn't make it ID...makes it AR. Think of flue in voids.
Any appliance that's faulty, only faulty (ie no visual signs of poor combustion,spillage etc),and you've worked on it and it needs parts is AR unless you have reason to believe that leaving it connected to the gas supply is IMMEDIATELY dangerous to the user. Common sense prevails, obviously there will be occasions where it's ID for the appropriate reasons, a fuse is definately not one....
No, its At Risk. There is the potential for it to be unsafe but as it is non operational it cant possibly be ID unless leaking gas.
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Ermintrude
Or it's spontaneously combusting with insufficient ventilation .
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Ermintrude
Once asked to divert flue from furnace through offices as a means of heating them....... Needless to say Im still £59 better off and they are all cold, stone cold in a box
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Granted, what we were talking about was weather it was if the boiler is ID. Truth is we don't know! Your man who,s been out to it didn't test it. The original question was "is this over the top"
answer= if ffd,s compromised, yes
ffd,s ok= no.
I think even if you test all safety devices and everything is fine, then you still need to AR. You can't say the appliance is safe as you don't know what may happen when you leave.
Yes I understand this is the same as every visit to a boiler, but can you imagine if something bad happened to customer.
'So you knew boiler was faulty and left it on?'
'Well I checked safety devices and did all necessary checks and it was safe.'
'How can it be 100% safe if it's got a faulty component?'
For the sake of an AR paper, it's all done.
Yes I understand this is the same as every visit to a boiler, but can you imagine if something bad happened to customer.
'So you knew boiler was faulty and left it on?'
'Well I checked safety devices and did all necessary checks and it was safe.'
'How can it be 100% safe if it's got a faulty component?'
For the sake of an AR paper, it's all done.
Is that why all their carbon copy pad pages are just a giant check box with the letters ID below?
So what if you visit a boiler with intermittent lockout.
All of your component tests are fine, your safety checks are perfect, you suspect a very intermittent fault on a PCB locking it out once or twice a month.
You would really isolate this appliance and AR it? It's not just an "AR paper" it's telling the customer their appliance is unsafe and will be turned off unless they refuse permission, however in doing so they could be contravening the GSIUR, and you will be making a written report stating clearly that the customer has refused for their appliance to be made safe.
When AR is described to a customer as it's supposed to be, it becomes much more than issuing a warning notice and telling your customer you're just leaving a bit of paper to cover your backside.
All of your component tests are fine, your safety checks are perfect, you suspect a very intermittent fault on a PCB locking it out once or twice a month.
You would really isolate this appliance and AR it? It's not just an "AR paper" it's telling the customer their appliance is unsafe and will be turned off unless they refuse permission, however in doing so they could be contravening the GSIUR, and you will be making a written report stating clearly that the customer has refused for their appliance to be made safe.
When AR is described to a customer as it's supposed to be, it becomes much more than issuing a warning notice and telling your customer you're just leaving a bit of paper to cover your backside.
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Ermintrude
Just located this in my van. By no stretch of the imagination is this right.
AR for a fused spur? NCS? I've ID a boiler for no thermostat and trvs ?
AR for a fused spur? NCS? I've ID a boiler for no thermostat and trvs ?
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Ermintrude
I work for me !
Is this thread for real?
it sounds like paranoia is a big issue for gas engineers. At risk is for faults found that may cause a harm at some point, not faults that you've imagine may exist but are unable to find?
Some people choose to leave their heating on 247, does that mean we should A.R or I.D them and slap a sticker over their mouths?
As long as all the safety controls are fine then what's the problem?
it sounds like paranoia is a big issue for gas engineers. At risk is for faults found that may cause a harm at some point, not faults that you've imagine may exist but are unable to find?
Some people choose to leave their heating on 247, does that mean we should A.R or I.D them and slap a sticker over their mouths?
As long as all the safety controls are fine then what's the problem?
The system is broken imho if anything is broken damaged not operating or not to current regulations it should be off till it meets the regs regardless of how trivial. As far as classifying the inability to turn the heating off on the boilers own control switch depends on whether or not you consider the boilers controls and there function a safety feature. Given that if needed the boiler should be capable of being issolated from the mains at a fused spur probably not a big deal assuming as others havw said it is not presenting a dangerous situation and the other safety features are operable.
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nysk2008
E.on have nothing to do with Help Link, I used to work for them
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Ermintrude
Well they do now. E-on calls and gas business going through help link call centres and help link doing work? How do I know neighbour works as jnr manager at help link admin.
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