As someone who started in the industry in 1974 am I right in thinking in general the quality of lads on the tools is dropping. In my day to day job I have to put these guys to work and am finding standards and work ethic is not what it was. Don't get me wrong there are some good-uns, but alot are worse than fu.
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I just throw it in and hope for the best.....
Definitely agree. It all came to a head in my job last week. A lot of us are sick and tired going in to jobs after our colleagues and cleaning up their mess, "making safe" after the callout guy was there the night before and supposedly "made safe" and got paid for the job. People too lazy to look at problems properly, not spending an extra five or ten minutes thinking and using their brain and actually figuring out the problem is. Instead booking up a load of parts that aren't even needed. The next guy will solve the problem, that sort of attitude. People (some through no fault of their own) with no proper qualifications. Makes me wonder sometimes why did I bother serving my time properly. Drives me mad. Let's just say some things had to be said at our toolbox talk last Friday, some fine language was used lol
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Said this on other posts on this forum that work standard in plumbing is pretty shocking.In my experience its down to said plumbing firms chasing the money and slamming in a complete pile of pap. We have a few firms around here advertising on radio/mags etc etc as heating specialists and yet the work they put in is utterly laughable.
The job i was on last week the house owner was kicking up stink about previous plumbers asking me to write a report about them so they can go back to them . Was a new system put in yet was all over the shop ended up ripping it all out .
This is all over like this to me looks like you don't earn much trying to put in an honest days with with a honest price,however its not in my nature to rip people off .
The job i was on last week the house owner was kicking up stink about previous plumbers asking me to write a report about them so they can go back to them . Was a new system put in yet was all over the shop ended up ripping it all out .
This is all over like this to me looks like you don't earn much trying to put in an honest days with with a honest price,however its not in my nature to rip people off .
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I price jobs to give me enough time without rushing like an idiot, when i was doing bigger stuff i priced to put guys on the job with me .
From experience its timescales by Architects/building surveyors and assorted mob that end up causing trades to rush and tear.Half the time you only need another week to take pressure off.
Nowadays i seem to be doing endless taps and and cisterns where i can take all the time i want and normally works out minimum £40 per hour
I have noticed a massive drop over the past 5-7 years that I have put down to the recession and the fact of sites closing and a lot more tradesmen competing for the work driving the prices down therefore meaning you have to do more to earn the money.
The sad thing is that customers seem to think that everybody is out to rip them off so if it works they are happy, especially if they have got it a few hundred quid cheaper.
The other problem is the companies ask too much of their employees (10+ jobs a day/ combi swap with power flush in a day) so therefore knowing that they won't be doing the job correctly but know they won't have any comeback. What needs to happen in these cases is the likes of gas safe need to hit the companies as well as the installers/technicians.
The sad thing is that customers seem to think that everybody is out to rip them off so if it works they are happy, especially if they have got it a few hundred quid cheaper.
The other problem is the companies ask too much of their employees (10+ jobs a day/ combi swap with power flush in a day) so therefore knowing that they won't be doing the job correctly but know they won't have any comeback. What needs to happen in these cases is the likes of gas safe need to hit the companies as well as the installers/technicians.
I do that as well, people look at me strange when I say 1.5-2 days to do a combi swap then I say I'm not the quickest but I allow myself enough time to do the job correctly.
And I love the little jobs, for some reason customers don't mind paying £40 per hour on small jobs but if you say £200 a day they almost pass out! Lol.
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Haha was saying the same to a sparks other day if you break down a boiler change at £40 per hour they nigh on faint but will pay it for a set of taps lol.
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Ch4 plumbing
A lot of customers don't seem to care about the standard as long as it's cheap! Been to remedy quite a few jobs where plastic is used in airing cupboards to pipe up shower pumps! And they wonder why it doesn't work!
Had a builder tee off the supplies to a bath to run a pump!!
Had a builder tee off the supplies to a bath to run a pump!!
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Define 'quality'? Skill or workmanship
Off subject but I went to replace a kitchen tap under warranty the other day. I had to remove the back board of the unit. The small amount of pipework to supply the sink was the neatest work Ive ever seen! God knows who did it. The plastic fittings looked like theyd been polished with Pledge. No glue to be seen. The soldered polished with Brillo.
You could see his pencil measurement marks all over though.Tut.
Sadly no idea what age bracket the installer was in. Got a feeling he wasn't in the bottom half
This was all behind the units so will never be seen
Off subject but I went to replace a kitchen tap under warranty the other day. I had to remove the back board of the unit. The small amount of pipework to supply the sink was the neatest work Ive ever seen! God knows who did it. The plastic fittings looked like theyd been polished with Pledge. No glue to be seen. The soldered polished with Brillo.
You could see his pencil measurement marks all over though.Tut.
Sadly no idea what age bracket the installer was in. Got a feeling he wasn't in the bottom half
This was all behind the units so will never be seen
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