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DaveB0360 said:
Thanks for your input.. I am a fussy bugger but I actually assumed that with all the hype over the essential mandating of gas safe rgi's, that standards were very high... Needless to say, I've had a rude awakening and now have eroded trust in tradesmen.. Common for me.
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Gas Safe Registration is about making sure that the installation is safe and has been properly tested not so much whether the pipework is pretty to look at.

If you are fussy about the 'finish' on the work to be done then you need to see examples (or photographs) of their recent work to check that their normal working standard matches your expectations.
 
Chuck said:
Gas Safe Registration is about making sure that the installation is safe and has been properly tested not so much whether the pipework is pretty to look at.

If you are fussy about the 'finish' on the work to be done then you need to see examples (or photographs) of their recent work to check that their normal working standard matches your expectations.
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Well as far as I'm concerned it's a fail on all fronts but hey ho.... Happy new year...
 
tbh its a average install

it wont matter that much on the tf1 as its just swirl the other way round the magnet but you can swap it round easily since your an engineer takes less than 10 seconds
 
DaveB0360 said:
Laco has that trait... He used fernox flux... Not a problem, it seemed a good clean flux but my main gripe was that he never cleaned the copper before fluxing, even when obviously tarnished, that left even him doubting some joints when drips appeared after power up.. It was condensation but he doubted his own joints.
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we all do well i do
 
how much did you pay for the install labour? roughly
 
round about a day to day and a half then to complete ?
 
i feel thats good valve for money tbh
 
DaveB0360 said:
No powerflush... Brand new full house rads and copper.. My own installation which he was impressed with. The original fitter was impressed.. Even offered me a job.. All properly sized etc...
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get him back to fill out the benchmark and reg with intergas for warranty and you will be ok
 
I have to say with the greatest of respect I’d still be powerflushing and pressure testing someone else’s work. But if as said above he’s done none of the paperwork then why would he bother?
 
Riley said:
I have to say with the greatest of respect I’d still be powerflushing and pressure testing someone else’s work. But if as said above he’s done none of the paperwork then why would he bother?
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Yes, I was disappointed ... He only wanted the f3 in for 30 minutes but I got 24 hrs in the end because he had to leave to another job.. . Came back next day, dead on time, drained.... Not flushed or neutralised and dosed with f1..... We supplied all chemicals etc too...
 
DaveB0360 said:
Absolutely agree Riley, especially since he was fluxing inside fittings (flux in system) and system was stood for around 3 weeks unflushed so it needed a thorough scouring IMHO.
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Why didn't you flush your pipework that's bad practice to let the flux sit like that
 
Honest opinion this install sounds like another classic example of lack of communication. Customer wants one thing and doesn’t say or fitter is a poor communicator and doesn’t explain why they are doing something. I pride myself on talking to my customers and thoroughly explaining why I’m doing something and why.
 
DaveB0360 said:
I know but didn't have the kit...
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Mains flush would of been better than anything don't need any special kit for that and depending on install I don't power flush every install as it's not required
 
Riley said:
Honest opinion this install sounds like another classic example of lack of communication. Customer wants one thing and doesn’t say or fitter is a poor communicator and doesn’t explain why they are doing something. I pride myself on talking to my customers and thoroughly explaining why I’m doing something and why.
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I communicated very very carefully that I needed boiler install, flushing, flue install and commissioning. I walked him round the house detailing pipe and rad routing/sizes etc, he was very happy and asked no questions other than where I wanted the filter.... Didn't quite get it properly behind the washer with best access but location was acceptable.... Just. I even marked up the wall with a rough plan..... Never got followed. He put gas feed as lowest pipe meaning hot output had to crossover..... I could go on and I'm sure if you had first hand view you'd agree it's a dogs breakfast but we're warm and it's recoverable but not without another spend....
 
DaveB0360 said:
I communicated very very carefully that I needed boiler install, flushing, flue install and commissioning. I walked him round the house detailing pipe and rad routing/sizes etc, he was very happy and asked no questions other than where I wanted the filter.. Didn't quite get it properly behind the washer with best access but location was acceptable.. Just. I even marked up the wall with a rough plan... Never got followed. He put gas feed as lowest pipe meaning hot output had to crossover... I could go on and I'm sure if you had first hand view you'd agree it's a dogs breakfast but we're warm and it's recoverable but not without another spend..
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The intergas boiler is a dream.... Hardly know it's running and it's used £1.22 in gas over 4 days..... Awesome. Got it modulating on opentherm with weather comp. Super impressed. Hw delivery is best I've known, way better than our WB 24cdi in the last house.
 
But communication, good or bad is still communication. Plus it’s a two way thing. If you weren’t happy you should’ve told him. Considering two out of the four main points you asked of him he hasn’t done. This is why I argue he’s too cheap. When you’re rushing trying to get on to the next earner you don’t give all your care and attention. I’d rather charge a bit more and ensure my customer is happy.
 
Riley said:
But communication, good or bad is still communication. Plus it’s a two way thing. If you weren’t happy you should’ve told him. Considering two out of the four main points you asked of him he hasn’t done. This is why I argue he’s too cheap. When you’re rushing trying to get on to the next earner you don’t give all your care and attention. I’d rather charge a bit more and ensure my customer is happy.
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No excuse but the reason my wife was stressing getting close to Christmas and cold weather meant I dropped my guard and was too soft just to get her happy and comfortable.... Still don't accept it was right of him to do such a bodge.... If he'd said he needed more time and more money I would have accepted that.... I made that clear to him from the outset. I said I was more interested in a good reliable job than price.... Don't know how I could have been clearer. I've been self employed with customers for many years (partly tv & video repairs) and always took pride and care over my work & customers. I do tend to make the mistake sometimes of assuming all trades are of the same mind..... I've learned.
 
DaveB0360 said:
No excuse but the reason my wife was stressing getting close to Christmas and cold weather meant I dropped my guard and was too soft just to get her happy and comfortable.. Still don't accept it was right of him to do such a bodge.. If he'd said he needed more time and more money I would have accepted that.. I made that clear to him from the outset. I said I was more interested in a good reliable job than price.. Don't know how I could have been clearer. I've been self employed with customers for many years (partly tv & video repairs) and always took pride and care over my work & customers. I do tend to make the mistake sometimes of assuming all trades are of the same mind... I've learned.
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