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Hi all was wondering if any of the lads on here do any commercial plumbing and what u think of it av done both but find commercial a bit better, started fitting a 13tonne pitch heating boiler today never seen nothing like it in me life ! Haha
 
No but the plumber I used to use started out as a pipe fitter and welder and he used to call house stuff lego or kiddies toys !
Put him on a bit of iron with a threading machine and he was like a pig in
He did his apprentiship with his dad as the foreman and said his dad was hardest on him as did not want any favouritism shown !
These days most Daddies boys are oxygen thieves !
 
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But surely commercial blends in to domestic when the houses get larger ?
I have to agree working on anything built after about 1900 or with less than 6 bedrooms is not much fun ?
 
SimonJohns said:
Ok. So would you call a range rover a commercial vechile? Just because it's big and heavy?

No. That's why a large house is still domestic

Commercial is usually attributed to offices and hotels etc

Industrial is usually factories etc
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I disagree
In fact GASSAFE disagree too ?
Try running a large house system with domestic appliances ?
You move in to a totally different league with hot water generators to ensure Lord Ha ha has hot water when he wants it !
Mr and mrs La de da hate it when little johny the resident gardener turns on the garden sprinkler system and the shower loses pressure !
You are talking 50 mm mains in to these type of houses and it may be domestic in name but it blows your average plumber away ?
 
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isnt some irish cockney on here a bit commercial, he's certainly a heavy weight in his field, doesnt seem to stand out though due to his lickle legs :)
 
a house is a house im my eyes, 2 bed, 6 bed whatever.................... stick in a combi!! :)
 
im doing my apprentice with with some 1 that does commercial and domestic. at the moment i look at domestic and have a good idea what im looking at.. commercial i look and think what the hell :thinking:
 
I just think the style and scope of plumbing moves in to commercial when you move up in size ?
My own experienc has mainly been in construction and working on large houses .
I stopped allowing plumbers to design systems as they never seemed to work I also understand that why should a plumber design a system when he will not be paid for it !
I employed M&S consultant who did design works and drawings which client paid for then plumbers quoted on and found at end of contract you have a happy client and a happy plumber !
Gasafe say 70 kw I believe ? Some of these can use that up in fires and cookers before you even get to heating ?
 
Stu3y said:
im doing my apprentice with with some 1 that does commercial and domestic. at the moment i look at domestic and have a good idea what im looking at.. commercial i look and think what the hell :thinking:
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Commercial's a doddle.......
 
Stu3y said:
im doing my apprentice with with some 1 that does commercial and domestic. at the moment i look at domestic and have a good idea what im looking at.. commercial i look and think what the hell :thinking:
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Bigger kit, bigger tools, bigger budget, bigger bang!
 
im enjoying it all to be honest, just some of the boiler houses look abit daunting at the minute! massive pipes and massive boilers lol
 
SimonJohns said:
Commercial starts at ;

70kw or
Whenever a boiler is called or classed as commercial

For eg

Andrew water heaters
Ideal imax w40 (40kw)
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Having acted as main contractor you start to look at things in a totally different way to subbies !
The buck starts and stops with you !
To the client they do not care if it was the designer or the Architect or the plumber or anyone else it is you they are paying so sort it !
They will ring christmas eve or christmas day they do not care I was in a meeting and felt I could not leave when I should have been collecting my newborn son from the hospital so I really do now know that life is too short too take Oh it will be alright we can do it as I know from experience do it right the first time !
 
Stu3y said:
im enjoying it all to be honest, just some of the boiler houses look abit daunting at the minute! massive pipes and massive boilers lol
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Same stuff on a bigger scale. A bit like comparing your local shop and Tesco's. If you have a right look at it it is all the same stuff.
 
SimonJohns said:
What are you getting at?

I don't understand your reply sorry
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Just mean that Jo Bloggs plumbing will tell you they can do it and you believe them at the time but you end up in a world of And by this time Joe bloggs has been paid and long gone !
A domestic plumber is not the man to have on a large system unless he really knows his stuff ?
Half of them do not even realise they are way over there limit on gas ?
 
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SimonJohns said:
Surely that's the primary contractors problem for not vetting their subbies correctly

I don't see how you can knock a domestic plumber for doing their best job.

You said you were a primary. And by the sounds of it you have been burned by subbies. Did you ever supply them with a drawing?

Did you know the subbies? Or how did this happen?

There's not many people that I have worked for who don't know of my work. Especially in the commercial market
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It is all a learning curve I started out at age 19 and had the nerve of old Nick !
You learn the hard way sometimes and believe me you learn fast !
The architect designs the system half the time or states to be designed by installer hence covering himself !
It is only after the job is long finished you find out the attic showers do not work when the kitchen is being used !
As main contractor you have sent several thousands pricing a job which you may or may not get and you have subbies ringing asking if it is worth pricing as not enough information so unless you know the client personally how do you know what is really required ?
By the time you have copied and sent out maybe 300 copies of plans as enquiries to all concerned do you really think you have the time or resources to double check and ensure all is correct ?
 
SimonJohns said:
I don't really follow your drift

I get the feeling that your knocking me because of my age

I like to think that I manage very well and have to oversee and manage very large jobs and for my age is very unique.

I feel I am currently doing well and if I don't know my customer and their requirements. I either go to spec. Or to my own high expectations
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Wow I have no idea of your age ?
I will listen to anyone and have always worked on never be scared to ask if you do not know as that is far better than being a stubborn old git that always knows best ?
You are never too old or young to learn ?
Yes in an ideal world we all get the exact specs for a job but in reality it rarely happens ?
 
image.jpgThats the boilers its actually just 6 boilers connected together its crazy how many pipes come off this an its the first time ill have fitted pipework this big its quite daunting but good haha
 
basildog said:
I just think the style and scope of plumbing moves in to commercial when you move up in size ?
My own experienc has mainly been in construction and working on large houses .
I stopped allowing plumbers to design systems as they never seemed to work I also understand that why should a plumber design a system when he will not be paid for it !
I employed M&S consultant who did design works and drawings which client paid for then plumbers quoted on and found at end of contract you have a happy client and a happy plumber !
Gasafe say 70 kw I believe ? Some of these can use that up in fires and cookers before you even get to heating ?
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Plumbers shouldn't be designing systems on large houses as if it doesn't work they will see you in court ,

construction professionals have professional indemnity insurance for a reason
 
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