Flueless fire

[CES]

I've installed two and ripped out the same two after a few months. Customers went against my advice, they are there for secondary heating only and require the 100cm2 vent. I said to one that they would have issues with draughts but they went ahead anyway because they looked "cool".. wasn't the only thing cool in that living room that night.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

wondering why anyone would say they are deathtraps ? more deaths by open flued than flueless, would suggest that co detector is installed, more so with open flued apps

steve yes?
2 points 1,yes flueless fires can be death traps,we had a fatality here in wales through one coming over set and the installer not doing a timetest,2 years ago i fitted 8 flavels and two burleys 8 come from the factory RADICALLY overset i had to ID my new fits and get service visits
point 2
i see you are saying a black hole vent is suitable,just for clarification a vario 100 cm2 with baffles removed is suitable but the square black hole vortex is not it was down graded to 80 cm2 5 years ago unless your talking of the newer black hole that does provide 100cm2 but does not stop any draft

 

[dancinplumba]

steve yes?
2 points 1,yes flueless fires can be death traps,we had a fatality here in wales through one coming over set and the installer not doing a timetest,2 years ago i fitted 8 flavels and two burleys 8 come from the factory RADICALLY overset i had to ID my new fits and get service visits
point 2
i see you are saying a black hole vent is suitable,just for clarification a vario 100 cm2 with baffles removed is suitable but the square black hole vortex is not it was down graded to 80 cm2 5 years ago unless your talking of the newer black hole that does provide 100cm2 but does not stop any draft

quoted other post regards blackhole and draught dont know personaly what size they are. i do recall fatality, do not fit flueless because of vent requirements, and too many fatalities throuh open flued apps. hse say there are 30 or so fatalities from the use of open flued apps each year

 

[E4gas]

The ventilation at the moment is direct to outside at low level, isn't a chimney direct to outside?

No, because birds can block chimney

 

[SimonJohns]

No, because birds can block chimney

Also densitys of air.

Effectively if you were to use a high level vent such as a chimney. It could work the wrong way and cause negative pressure on the room

 

[E4gas]

I fitted one about 6 moths ago for a landlord in his own house , I done a job for him , went in his house to pick up money and spotted he had took of vent cover and put a rolled up towel to stop cold wind , and carried on using fire ,,i took it out , told him off .

 

[jase158]

Hi guys, 2 things on this,
1. if I block vent and never use fire is there any danger to me or family? even though I have back boiler?
2. is there a vent i can get that slows down the draught a little?

 

[dancinplumba]

I fitted one about 6 moths ago for a landlord in his own house , I done a job for him , went in his house to pick up money and spotted he had took of vent cover and put a rolled up towel to stop cold wind , and carried on using fire ,,i took it out , told him off .

more likely to kill himself if open flued imho

 

[dancinplumba]

Hi guys, 2 things on this,
1. if I block vent and never use fire is there any danger to me or family? even though I have back boiler?
2. is there a vent i can get that slows down the draught a little?

do not block the vent !! its for the boiler

 

[warrington]

The requirement is clear 100 cm2 to outside. If customer not happy better to take it out. i don't like flueless fire, people want them they think it looks cool, but when the cracks happen on the plaster it doesn't look cool. They don't like air vent but it is a must, they don't service it, after while glass goes mate,,..etc.