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Wondered what you guys would do. A local person I've heard of is working a Mon-Fri job and working in holidays etc at really cheap rates. I am 99% sure they are not declaring tax and undercutting local tradesmen for this reason.

Obviously you can't be 100% sure but what would you guys do in this situation?
 
Mike
I reckon most of us professionals are pretty honest and moralistic.
I have trusted people in the past and been shat on big time, doesn't stop me trusting people but I suppose we should look to our ruling classes for guidance.
Think Baroness Warsi who has been caught bang to rights fiddling but will she be prosecuted, I doubt it.

No point in getting excited about it mate, if you feel that strongly about it then shop the fella.
 
The important thing for me is that I can sleep at night. I've been badly let down many times because I think that others will behave the same as me so I'm now wary of who I trust.
 
if it was me i would say leave em to it . unless you can be sure he's taking work from as a result of undercutting. then it's affecting you personally then it's your choice. but like everyone says above you will everyone has done at some point in there life.

i drive by a corner shop most days near where i get my boilers and spares and there is always a group of eastern eurpeans waiting to be picked up for work everyday. was told the going rate about £25-40 day depending on the trade, now i am tenpted to report that. but would anything get done about it.
 
I have had crap in the past and respect your opinion Mike, I rarely take a job on. Nowadays that's only earning a few bob but concentrate on where I can earn a living on jobs that are worth it
 
Most politicians, high rollers, and bankers will steal more from the Inland Revenue than that plumber will ever, and they're doing it 'legally'.

Leave him be. Its none of your business. I know that sounds harsh but it isn't. We don't all have as high morals as Mike. Infact the minority seem to share the same view as me. Which is rare!!
 
Mike Jackson said:
It's a sorry state of affairs when you feel you have to ridicule someone for being honest and having morals. Perhaps I'm the odd one out but I'm a great believer in do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I'll put up with many faults with people but I don't like dishonesty.
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Im the same I will not do jobs outside of work unless it is for family. I am in no means a company man but in this day and age there are many hard working self employed around me struggling to make ends meat I do not want to stop them from earning there honest living. If I get offered a job I always pass on the number of whatever company I am working for and tell them I said to call not that the companies ever appreciate it.

And what would happen if something went wrong causing thousands of pounds worth of damage if you do not have insurance who do you think there bloodsucking lawyers will come after for fitting that heating system.

And I have a son never been married (although I think she took advantage of me when I was passed out from too much cider)
 
as we have said we all have done homers and done jobs cash in hand so i say wise up i think Mike is upset because the guy doing the homers is more driven than him, hes working 9-5 mon to fri and still does plumbing after that.
to me that says he is very driven and a brillant tradesman in the making.
because if your driven nothing will stop you getting work.
 
You got a few kids, a holiday to pay for Xmas round the corner or your missis has lost her job....

You get 350 a week wages.... And someone offers you a bathroom for 600 on a sat and sun cash....

We don't know his situation...

Could be greed, could be in financial strife, or he could be saving to set up legit on his own. I wouldn't shop anyone in for anything unless it was personal attack on my family.
 
mark_mc said:
as we have said we all have done homers and done jobs cash in hand so i say wise up i think Mike is upset because the guy doing the homers is more driven than him, hes working 9-5 mon to fri and still does plumbing after that.
to me that says he is very driven and a brillant tradesman in the making.
because if your driven nothing will stop you getting work.
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What a load of complete and utter ball cocks. You know sweet f A about how I'm driven. He is a fraudster in the making as far as I'm concerned. There is a post on here complaining that work is short and blaming giving away free advice. How about blaming the people who are already earning a wage and taking the bread out of the hard working self employed plumbers mouths. There have also been plenty of threads about how we are undervalued as a profession yet people condone working on the cheap.

I used to do some photographic work whilst I was employed but it was legit and I made sure that I was fully insured. If people want to work outside of their main employment I have no issue with it but let's have a level playing field because these people are devaluing the industry.
 
Gray0689 said:
This sounds more like jealousy me thinks
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Well it's lead by the fact that it's personally affected me and my family, yes. I lost a job and the person who has won it has undercut me on the basis he doesn't have business outgoings to pay, isn't declaring, etc.

Jealousy no, I totally understand and have no issue with losing quotes to other plumbing businesses. that's perfectly fair to me. I just want a level playing field.
 
And it never will
If the customer wants to get the job done cheap with no one to go back to if there a problem no insurance to back the plumber then it's the customers fault if it wasn't him it would be another
 
times are tough man! i can see why people get annoyed when they cant win jobs, because of uninsured or even un registered people, like people said everyone has done a foreigner or 2 in the past, dont help the tax man shaft anymore of us please god! they get enough of our money! he is just trying to make a crust. if you go down that road mate its a slippery one! just take the morale high ground! i no this doesnt pay the bills but not much more we can do!

its the same as when plumbers ring me asking to commision there boilers! i refuse out of principal!

but lets behonest how many of us have sex with out a rubbber?? its a calculated risk! but if you take it and get caught out its a FAIR COP!!

My opinion is if you want to play the game dont complain if you get burnt!
 
You all seem to be having a conversation about what this guy may or may not be doing when it comes to paying tax. So he has a full time job and is working for himself evenings and weekends, there's nothing wrong with that. I myself am in that position and can tell you I am GSR, have 2 million PLI and pay the tax on my additional earnings. I work all the hours because I haven't had a pay increase in 5 years and have no contract of employment. I don't do it behind anyone's back because there's not a lot they can do about it. I suppose I could always undercut if I wanted too because I don't have to worry about where the next dollar is coming from because I always have my wages. I guess the aim is to go full time self employed eventually but with the economy the way it is, I'll have to wait and see. As for robbing self employed engineers of trade, we live in a free economy and all I care about is my family and I'm sorry if that affects anyone else
 
The op was not about employed guys doing legit work in their own time. It was about the other 80% of employed guys doing homers, foreigners call them what you like. Most have done it at some point. Whatever view you take on it is up to you. It will never be stopped.
It doesn't bother me. What bothers me more is legit guys doing jobs for stupid money. Went into price a job last night. Boikler swap, Profile fitted in cupboard at back door being swapped for a combi. Hot cold and condensate 3m away, gas upgrade back to meter approx 6m, programmable stat, tanks out and swapped to mains.
Asked him if he had any preference on boilers and he said another guy was out the day before and he suggested a Neta tec, in fact here is his quote.........£730 plus vat ..........£836!!! From a legit firm.
"Why the fk are you wasting my time when you have someone to do it for the price of a scrap cylinder?"
That is the lowest price i have ever come across. Is this guy so desperate to pay the bills he will work for that!
Now that bothers me a lot more than some guy making a few quid on the side.
 
tamz said:
The op was not about employed guys doing legit work in their own time. It was about the other 80% of employed guys doing homers, foreigners call them what you like. Most have done it at some point. Whatever view you take on it is up to you. It will never be stopped.
It doesn't bother me. What bothers me more is legit guys doing jobs for stupid money. Went into price a job last night. Boikler swap, Profile fitted in cupboard at back door being swapped for a combi. Hot cold and condensate 3m away, gas upgrade back to meter approx 6m, programmable stat, tanks out and swapped to mains.
Asked him if he had any preference on boilers and he said another guy was out the day before and he suggested a Neta tec, in fact here is his quote.........£730 plus vat ..........£836!!! From a legit firm.
"Why the fk are you wasting my time when you have someone to do it for the price of a scrap cylinder?"
That is the lowest price i have ever come across. Is this guy so desperate to pay the bills he will work for that!
Now that bothers me a lot more than some guy making a few quid on the side.
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How the hell is he doing it for that? I've come across the 300 quid combi swaps but never that cheap? The bits must cost that surely?
 
Priced up the stuff today. Boiler flue and cheap shyt salus rf stat. £620 whatever + vat. Probably about 60 for materials leaves him £50 (less tax) plus scrap.
Obviously no cleaner or inhibitor at that price. He must be turning over the work to be vat registered!
And the dk head customer was looking for another price thinking he may get it cheaper! I wouldn't take a dog for a walk for £50!
These idiots are the real threat. They are the ones who are killing our trade not some boy out fitting a bathroom suite for £200 cash or whatever they are doing.
 
tamz said:
Priced up the stuff today. Boiler flue and cheap shyt salus rf stat. £620 whatever + vat. Probably about 60 for materials leaves him £50 (less tax) plus scrap.
Obviously no cleaner or inhibitor at that price. He must be turning over the work to be vat registered!
And the dk head customer was looking for another price thinking he may get it cheaper! I wouldn't take a dog for a walk for £50!
These idiots are the real threat. They are the ones who are killing our trade not some boy out fitting a bathroom suite for £200 cash or whatever they are doing.
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Well said that man!
 
What area was that Tamz?. Ive had a few quotes knocked back due to stupid prices lately. Guys out there doing LGSI for £30, Boiler installs for £1000 etc

Desparation makes people do stupid things I guess, but some customers are worse, continually trying to get stuff done on the cheap..
 
That's right on my doorstep too, probably the same firm undercutting all over...
 
Dannypipe said:
Most politicians, high rollers, and bankers will steal more from the Inland Revenue than that plumber will ever, and they're doing it 'legally'.

Leave him be. Its none of your business. I know that sounds harsh but it isn't. We don't all have as high morals as Mike. Infact the minority seem to share the same view as me. Which is rare!!
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You are 100% correct about the banks etc. About a year ago my partners bank was being audited by the HMRC and they needed to look at a specific deal. They contacted the powers that be in the bank (my partner) asking for the information.

The reply 'we have a legal obligation to supply you with all the information that is requested, we have complied with all our obligations, its for you to sort this information out not our job to assist you, if you have any further enquires I suggest you direct them to our legal department'

I bet we'd get away with that!

A good friend of mine set himself up as a company (how I don't know) by using a top accountant, cost him £50k! but saved himself a considerale amount more, obviously, otherwise he wouldn't have done it.

HOW much did you earn on that scrap?
 
Mike Jackson said:
The important thing for me is that I can sleep at night. I've been badly let down many times because I think that others will behave the same as me so I'm now wary of who I trust.
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I have the exact same problem, I have lost count of the amount of times my partner and father in law has said to me:

'trouble is people don't think like you, what makes your life difficult is you don't understand why they don't'

They're 100% correct.
 
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