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As Duncan above has said. Same rate.

They're paying for your knowledge, and your charges have to cover your business running costs (which are inherently higher due to gas qualifications, registrations and liability insurances etc).

If your business employed a person who solely did plumbing then the matter may be different, but solo then definitely same rate.
 
The other thing which I think is just as important as the correct price is mark up on materials.

Hi Millsy, say more about mark up on materials please? I'd say add 50% why not? we've got the expertise to know WHAT to buy, if the custard goes to BnQ etc they'll either buy the wrong item(s) and go back and forth trying to get the right 'widget' ..
Our knowledge is our IP (Intellectual Property) it's worth a fortune... ££££... don't give it away, charge for it..
 
Problem is the customer soon goes on the internet and says the part you've just charged me £100 for I can get for £95 of internet.

I do get fully what your saying and I charge 20% on everything and people moan all the time about that but j explain it and they usually begrudgingly understand. The other thing is on installs people price them that right if you put 20% on materials your 20% higher than the fools who work for a wage not to run a business so install I can only get away with 10%.
 
Find out their budget before you waste your time putting quotes together. Everyone has a price in their head of what they think it should cost, do not leave on a first visit without finding out their budget or you have already conditioned them to a price that they have agreed sounds about right, a little higher than you think it will cost. Arrange another visit to present your price at less than they were expecting and try to close the business on that visit and have a date booked in the diary before you leave house.
 
Truth is, everyone is right. We should indeed be paid for keeping up to date, for understanding what is value for money and what is rubbish. Fact is tho people generally buy on a combination of confidence in you as person to a) understand and empathise with their need, b) to do what you say you're going to do and price.

On a personal basis, I have never, ever, accepted a job on price alone. I have always walked away. Why? Because people like that simply will never understand that having pride in the job has a price. If they can't see that then they will only ever be a complete pain in the ar5e.

When pricing, as Jon says, I rarely took the hiss. On my spreadsheet I had a fixed mark up applied to all materials of 20%. Occasionally I'd not be able to get a merchant price so would put in a retail but not often. I always broke down the price into materials (cos it's not just 'parts') and subcontract labour and then my labour as a separate item.

When I won the job, then I would buy as hard as I could vs the time available to improve my overall margin.

I would never detail from where or whom I would buy or, indeed, exactly what because I didn't want to give them the opportunity to pass my hard work onto someone else to knock £50 off and win the job.

IMHO, every single one of us actually knows when we are in front of a 'badun'. By listening to your inner voice and saying to them, "Sorry but it seems I can't do a decent job for the money you wish to spend", and walking away means you will find you have a much happier life. As Dad used to say, "Any bl00dy idiot can work for free!"

When you do a job at a rubbish price, you actually harm not only yourself but the whole industry. When you drop your price because someone does not want to pay, you:
  • reinforce the media BS of thieving/overcharging plumbers
  • undervalue your own skills
  • undervalue the painful years of experience
  • let down your own family by selling short their futures
Sorry if its somewhat 'preachy' but this, IMHO, is the single biggest issue facing our industry today. We need to collectively grow a pair and stand up for our skills and desires to do a great job.

BTW. All of the above means you can still do those freebies for little Mrs Wiggins at #45 who's potless. Because she deserves to be helped.;)
 
Problem is the customer soon goes on the internet and says the part you've just charged me £100 for I can get for £95 of internet.

I would say to that £5 isn’t much of a saving, plus when ordering online there’s increased waiting time for repair to be done. If it’s the same product and cheaper tell them to order it and charge more for fitting ;)
 
Buckinghamshire here.

£85 for the 1st hour, any additional hour (or part of) is £60. Any materials supplied at trade cost +20% carriage. All +VAT

If you have too much work, put your prices up.
If you have too little work, put your prices down.

I charge £85 for a CP12. I recently had a conversation with an estate agents and they wanted me to price match a CP12 at £35/each........
 
Buckinghamshire here.

£85 for the 1st hour, any additional hour (or part of) is £60. Any materials supplied at trade cost +20% carriage. All +VAT

If you have too much work, put your prices up.
If you have too little work, put your prices down.

I charge £85 for a CP12. I recently had a conversation with an estate agents and they wanted me to price match a CP12 at £35/each....


Question about Your rate for the cp12 - do you include the boiler service for that? Or do you charge an additional fee to add boiler service on, gas hob, fire etc.
 
Question about Your rate for the cp12 - do you include the boiler service for that? Or do you charge an additional fee to add boiler service on, gas hob, fire etc.

Most companies that I've worked for do not carry out a boiler service at the same time that is an extra and gets charged.
 
Question about Your rate for the cp12 - do you include the boiler service for that? Or do you charge an additional fee to add boiler service on, gas hob, fire etc.
CP12 with 2 Appliances is £85+VAT. Additional Appliance is £25/each
CP12 and Boiler Service is £120+VAT

Usually, when an estate agent tells me they can get it cheaper, I try and inform and educate them. I try to explain the time it takes including travel time and then get them to understand they will be getting a rushed botched job. I always try to leave the conversation along the lines of "when it all goes wrong, you will get in trouble".

Some listen, some don't.

Some want to do their jobs to the letter of the law (yay!). Some are trying to make the most money (understandable). Some are afraid to tell landlords that stuff is expensive and costs money.
 
CP12 with 2 Appliances is £85+VAT. Additional Appliance is £25/each
CP12 and Boiler Service is £120+VAT

Usually, when an estate agent tells me they can get it cheaper, I try and inform and educate them. I try to explain the time it takes including travel time and then get them to understand they will be getting a rushed botched job. I always try to leave the conversation along the lines of "when it all goes wrong, you will get in trouble".

Some listen, some don't.

Some want to do their jobs to the letter of the law (yay!). Some are trying to make the most money (understandable). Some are afraid to tell landlords that stuff is expensive and costs money.
...and some are just greedy bastards!
 

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