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Just reading a bit about it in the monthly mag, I have an old 1920s house that has an old myson Apollo and gravity hot water...

no insulation, or double glazing with me being a landlord if I got an assessor out.... Would the works sThat got carried on, simply go onto the tenants fuel bill ?

I'm going to otherwise get the system changed by myself an pay for the windows to be done
 
Dickie said:
As said several times, why not do subbie work. Be selective & ensure you get paid.
Of course if you're a course cowboy & spend half your day with your nose in a book or your course notes, you'll be too slow to make any money doing subbie work.

I know plenty guys that are only on the GSR, van & tools & are making a very good living. So don't have a wishbone, get a backbone, get our there & find the work.
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I didn't go self employed to be busting a gut for some crappy day rate to make some big national company plenty of money! I may as well go stack shelves.
 
The firm I was going to subbie for has said the work may not be there now due to the crap prices, he said the funding has been capped now an the likes of bg have swallowed up a lot of the work
 
I emailed an energy firm last night put of interest on the Eco scheme, they said they wanted installers for boilers! They replied that they were owned by another energy firm and were selling leads to already registered Eco qualified installers!

What a joke, who wants to jump through hoops to get Eco registered, to then have to buy leads off a middle man company... Sounds like everyone is trying to get there slice, and the end installer who does all the work & takes all the responsibility gets the smallest reward at the end of it it seems!
 
gassafe said:
I didn't go self employed to be busting a gut for some crappy day rate to make some big national company plenty of money! I may as well go stack shelves.
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I completely understand your views mate, but being self employed is no walk in the park and for most course cowboys it's the only route they can go down. I don't know your background so I'm not inferring you're a CC.

I know of guys that are getting £130 per combi swop, finished by 2.00pm & out fixing boilers or doing CP12s for the remained of the day.

Of course I don't advocate the methods some companies use on the ECO scheme, many of which are just con men. But they're no more con men then the rest of the ex-used car salesmen that are selling Green products. How many out there have sold & installed boilers & appliances on the back of the RHI & Feed in tariffs that never materialised??? So people that live in greenhouses etc!!! There's a certain irony in the word 'Greenhouse'.....LOL!!!
 
hammers4spanner said:
well thats your issue right their '£130' combi swap

devalued trade
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I'm sorry H4S, I don't have an issue with £130 combi swop - that can be done in 4.5-5 hours & you can do as many as you want in a week! Nor do I think it devalues the trade, six week courses devalue the trade, not the rates anyone is daft enough to do the work for. Of course the £250 combi swop would be a more favourable rate - which some companies are paying.

If you can only get £130 per swop, then there's no shortage of Labour in your area & this is due, in no small part, to the number of GSR course cowboys out there. A simple matter of supply & demand.

So if you're a course cowboy & can only get the reduced rate, well, look in the mirror to see the one to blame!
 
£130 and no issue with that,

then you state can only get £130 further in post???


then in earlier post
I know of guys that are getting £130 per combi swop, finished by 2.00pm & out fixing boilers or doing CP12s for the remained of the day.


recomend 4 hour flush on new boiler for starters

just because you wish to do them for devalued rate doesnt mean we all wish to rip ourselves off , cant see a vet doing half priced works during lambing season just because he can be doing something else by two !!!!
 
hammers4spanner said:
£130 and no issue with that,

then you state can only get £130 further in post???


then in earlier post
I know of guys that are getting £130 per combi swop, finished by 2.00pm & out fixing boilers or doing CP12s for the remained of the day.


recomend 4 hour flush on new boiler for starters

just because you wish to do them for devalued rate doesnt mean we all wish to rip ourselves off , cant see a vet doing half priced works during lambing season just because he can be doing something else by two !!!!
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I'm stating the rates that I'm aware of, £250 or £130. £130 doesn't undervalue the trade in my view, course cowboys do that. If you don't get asked or get paid for a powerflush - which we all know is generally required & can take 4 hours, then why do it??

I can understand why you wouldn't want to do it for £130 mate, but if the alternative is sitting at home & waiting for the phone to ring?? I guess each to their own??

Lambing season is once a year, the ECO scheme is only around for a very short time, so no real comparison in my view.

I'm not having a pop at anyone, you want the work or you don't.
 
The £130 a swap is a very bad rate for a SE but some idiots and the desperate are doing it. There are companies paying their on the books guys more (you'll know who they are Dickie white vans green writing).
We all know we could throw a boiler on the wall and be out of there before 12 (well the guys who are into installs can) but you are cutting corners. I know guys who open the blow off for 30 seconds and that is the flush. You or they get what you pay for. Shyt money shyt guys working for them and shyt installs. Worse than warmfront imo.
At the end of the day this is a very bad run and administered scheme but there is a lot of money being made by some unfortunately not those on the front line.

Being a bit of a sceptic i'd say it was a government ploy to raise house prices through higher EPC ratings but then again why would they do that?
 
hi guys new on here so be kind , you all seem to have mixed up ideas about green deal and eco funding and most of you do not seem sure about it. we are a green deal advisor service and we have been installing eco measures since the start of the scheme and it as brought us loads of boiler installs under the scheme and yes rates are falling but they are still good. anyway I posted on here in hope to team up with a gas safe engineer in northwest who would like to get involved and install some or all of our jobs, if you want talk about it email me you can find our email on our website (would not let me post email address ) just google us eco deal based in north west. the scheme is a good scheme which gives small and big installers the same playing field. we have fitted over 300 boiler now under the scheme and we are a small family business so it can work for you too. thank you mike ECO DEAL
 
had an interesting phone call late last night friends girlfriend has had a 'free boiler' which now they say it is all but 'free' .

Anyway aparently the install was a joke turned up yesterday boiler didn't fit and wrecked some cupboard , gas undersized and no confidence in the install now so have been asked to give independant report on the installation on behalf of mates girlfriend.

a sign of things to come possibly
 
hammers4spanner said:
had an interesting phone call late last night friends girlfriend has had a 'free boiler' which now they say it is all but 'free' .

Anyway aparently the install was a joke turned up yesterday boiler didn't fit and wrecked some cupboard , gas undersized and no confidence in the install now so have been asked to give independant report on the installation on behalf of mates girlfriend.

a sign of things to come possibly
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Oh for sure, many installations are being thrown in.
 
That's common practice amongst all contract installs and price work, the quicker you are the more you get paid, H.A is no different either. I wouldn't tarnish the whole scheme because of a load of rogue installers.

i seem to remember you saying something about doing 2 a day installs a while back, surely that doesn't include a gas re run and hot/cold flush?

If you find these installs, make sure they are reported as an official complaint. The company at the top with pas:2030 have to abide by a strict set of procedures, ultimately complaints cost time and money and if they are not dealt with accordingly, could cost them their accreditation. It's no on their interest to be getting lots of complaints.
 
Yep two a day includes whatever you get hit with wether be verticle flue, new gas run and flush just worked harder faster longer . Rough with the smooth as they say and onstalls inspected. I also think this certifies me to be hard as I like when inspecting other installs as I have been there done it and own the tee shirt
 
Fair play if you can do it, I know many including myself couldn't/wouldn't.

be interested to see some pic's if this install you have to look at mate, see the standard of work. Any ideas which company installed it, pm if you like as we are both local.
 
No offence hammers but that seems aload of crap that

2 installs, vertical flue an gas runs ?

i worked with a lad who was rapid, an neat but I reckon he'd struggle doing that
 
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Your lad must be crap ,
Their are loads of lads gangs that I know doing the smash and grab boiler/pack installs but I could lay my hands on about 5 that 2 boilers a day or ten plus packs a week . Hard work but quite easily possibilty .
How long does it take to run gas pipe up a wall ? 20 mins thats all and hour for verticle , gives few hours on boiler then onto next .
Like I said hard work long day but once you get routine its easy .
Dont think I have surveyed a boiler swap for years just turn up and plumb
 
HaHa

not having it, it would take you at least an hour just getting ye gear out the van an putting it back in, writing benchmark out, showing tenant how to work it.

then you have to drive to the next job !!

you must be on the whiz ;)
 
Hour getting gear out of van lol you serious
Analyse, burner pressures gas rate same time and how long does it take to explain couple buttons !
Besides tennant are idiots and cant even read half the time, next job five mins away materials all rhere waiting

Up your game and its goid coin still wouldnt work fir 130 thats a joke
 
hammers4spanner said:
Hour getting gear out of van lol you serious
Analyse, burner pressures gas rate same time and how long does it take to explain couple buttons !
Besides tennant are idiots and cant even read half the time, next job five mins away materials all rhere waiting

Up your game and its goid coin still wouldnt work fir 130 thats a joke
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why aren't you still doing it then ?

good doe, an your smashing it why stop ?
 
Two reasons money is less now hence why I was saying 130 devalued your trade

Secondly I get some big installs which I prefer

Oh and third reason tennants do my head in
 
the green deal is funded through the cust paying via energy bill so it is not funded in fact ists more costly than getting loan or putting it on your mortgage .Oh and this stays with your house so if you sell it the new owner takes up your debt ,.

also hearing that this free boiler eco is not free either !!!

also i am hearing that payments are slow
 
hammers4spanner said:
the green deal is funded through the cust paying via energy bill so it is not funded in fact ists more costly than getting loan or putting it on your mortgage .Oh and this stays with your house so if you sell it the new owner takes up your debt ,.

also hearing that this free boiler eco is not free either !!!

also i am hearing that payments are slow
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Who an how do you actually get paid if you have this pas 2030
 
Of course under the ECO scheme the boilers are not free. We all pay for it through our Gas & Leccy bills. There's no smoke & mirrors it's all on-line for you to read.

I've replaced the boilers in 15 of the my properties I Let out already & will do the remainder directly.
 
The energy companies pay you after submitting paper work takes 30-38 days
 
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