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Hi all new member here.

In the process of buying a three-storey Victorian terraced house in wolverhampton.

Currently the property is divided into four flats which i will be converting back into a single property.

Currently flat has an electric immersion heater for hot water and electric storage heaters on the walls.

We will be putting in a central heating system but unsure what type or what vendors to go for this type of property.

We have not decided 100% how many Bathrooms\Showers to have (between two and four) and whether to have.

I have not completely decided on the internal layout when we convert back into a single dwelling, however, an identical property on this terrace has four bedrooms (we plan to squeeze out a Fifth bedroom\small guest room on the first or second floor that will be pretty tiny).

The room sizes are:

Ground floor
Living Room 1 17'6'' ( 5.33m ) x 13' ( 3.96m ) front bay
Living Room 2 15'6'' ( 4.72m ) x 17'9'' ( 5.41m ) rear bay
Rear kitchen extension 38'5'' ( 8.66m ) x 10'5'' ( 3.17m )

First floor
Study 7'7'' ( 2.31m ) x 5'9''
Bedroom 1 17'11'' ( 5.46m ) x 13' ( 3.96m ) front bay
Bedroom 2 13'3'' ( 4.03m ) x 16'7'' ( 5.05m )
Bathroom

Second Floor
Bedroom 3 13'4'' ( 4.06m ) x 17'11'' ( 5.46m )
Bedroom 4 14' ( 4.26m ) x 13'1'' ( 3.98m )
Bathroom

The ground and first floor are high ceillings, whilst the second floor has lower ceilings.

What i need advice on is:

What type of heating\Hot water system required
How many rads required and what sizes
Approx budget as i will need for the hot water, rads as well as piping.

All help appreciated.
 
If you want it that thick then have radiators, sod all point of having ufh.

if you're having them for sound proofing then invest in floor stuff.
 
Ermintrude said:
I have seen lots and lots of the solid wall insulation jobs at a standstill due to running out of money.

By all means apply for green steal. But don't pay upfront for anything as they will just take you for a ride.

I have a three story Victorian house, I bought seconds of celotex from eBay. I bought 2 lorry loads at £1000 a pop. Something like a million sheets of 100mm.

I dry lined whole house with a ventilated gap behind insulation of 50mm. All foil walls , 99% air tight as all the studs and foil sheets were covered with foil tape.

Celotex in ceilings again 100% vapour barrier and the ground floor I removed the concrete and excavated 350mm and then built a suspended timber floor with 100mm celotex between them and then out wet ufh on top of it.

My loft has a lot of insulation too. It's a warm roof.


I don't think your builder or the green deal will take as much care with insulation.


Your heating system?


Defo ufh ground and bathrooms

Rads on zones above ff.


Unvented.


Don't think ashp is what u really need when on a budget. Solar thermal for your DHW.

Use a decent unvented ACV SL or similar. Pipe your house so that a everything comes back to a "low Loss headder"

Have two spare ports so that an alternative heat unit can be added into system at a later date but for now just hook up a gas boiler / if you can't afford the whole Hogg

Oversize your rads by the same amount say factor of 2 .

I would make the system as versatile as possible .

Get Worcester round to have a look he's the main man
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Ermi where you get the seconds insulation at that price I need a lot of it
 
eBay. It's the one in Wales . His name is rob, call up negotiate and your away. Weekly drops to the north easy. Bought mine 6 years ago! He will bond it to plasterboard even double thickness.
 
A&A insulation 01443 209585

Or the main man
Robbie 07717805726

I didn't give anyone his number and it's a need to know basis.
 
lackingwedge said:
Ermintrude, would need a bit more info than that as I cannot find this guy on Ebay
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Sorry I'm starting to think you're stupid. What did you type into eBay?

I got the above details by typing "well insulated sheep shaggier seconds"
 
A decent system boiler and an unvented hot water cylinder sited in the middle of the property landing somewhere as Killy Bing stated
But the opinions for prices I've non of any ideas
 
Try these as well: Insulation Boards

Just spent the day at Stiebel Eltron, they have a nice range of fan assisted rads for heat pumps, not quite as stylish as the Dimplex ones though a good solid brand, with much better support and backup.

Designing for a heat pump, at a flow temp of 40° the rads need to be 4.3 times bigger than with a delta T of 50° ! So fan assisted definitely helps.
 
This is like The Sound Of Music, or The Great Escape. 72 post now and not a bed made.
 
Omg Worcester / Gordon I always thought you were a nice sensible chap, "forced convection rads" horrid nosey dusty rubbish. May as well just go warm air and be done with it.
 
Some pictures of the floorplan. image.jpgimage (2).jpg
The large open space at the back of the house has not been fully knocked out yet and will be divided into two living spaces as well as a downstairs toilet and utility.

There will be 1 bathroom with a bath as well as a shower. another ensuite on the first floor with a shower as well as a shower room on the second floor.

Conservation officer coming today so should know what my limitations are.
 
Conservation officer coming today so should know what my limitations are

Effectively the job is now stopped, conservation officer in Wolverhampton are you sure, have they got one. 77 posts and not a pot washed, Chinese Knot weed, bats and newts all you need now is a tree huger, send us the postcode and we will Google map it see if the lads can throw some light on it for you, if you knocked it down and rebuilt it do you think anyone from the Corpo would notice.
 
On the contrary Happyflyer.

He only said that we should not replace any of our existing wooden windows to UPVC. I just though it prudent see approval rather than do what i want and then have the council servicing me orders to remove stuff and threatening all kinds of action. If that makes me stupid, then so be it.


I can see that me posting on this site is starting to annoy you so I will stop posting and asking questions.
Thanks to everyone who has provided good advice to a member of the public who just wanted advice from experts.
 
lackingwedge said:
On the contrary Happyflyer.

He only said that we should not replace any of our existing wooden windows to UPVC. I just though it prudent see approval rather than do what i want and then have the council servicing me orders to remove stuff and threatening all kinds of action. If that makes me stupid, then so be it.


I can see that me posting on this site is starting to annoy you so I will stop posting and asking questions.
Thanks to everyone who has provided good advice to a member of the public who just wanted advice from experts.
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On the contrary do not stop posting is very few times we see someone get to the end and come back and tell us how it all went its just I am 70 this year and don't know if I will see you completed at this rate, I want you to get a move on and start making some decisions please, lets see some action winter is coming

Tony
 
lackingwedge said:
On the contrary Happyflyer.

He only said that we should not replace any of our existing wooden windows to UPVC. I just though it prudent see approval rather than do what i want and then have the council servicing me orders to remove stuff and threatening all kinds of action. If that makes me stupid, then so be it.


I can see that me posting on this site is starting to annoy you so I will stop posting and asking questions.
Thanks to everyone who has provided good advice to a member of the public who just wanted advice from experts.
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Post away and ask as many questions as you like that's what the forum is for and most are glad to help
 
I completed on the property 4 weeks ago.
It was four flats and is being converted to a single dwelling.

I have been working on getting the Gas main turned back on (will need a trench being dug from the main road to my house) as well as the stud walls being knocked out and deciding on the new room configuration (we are now to move the location of the kitchen.

I did asked numerous times and it took an intervention from a member of this board before anyone here even agreed to come (post 30).

Also, alot of stuff has been mentioned here that I have never heard of before. Like most punters, my knowledge of central heating only goes as far as a boiler and some radiators. I knew little of solid wall insulation, Under floor heating, ASHP, Unvented boilers, Solar Water and PV, Green Deal, RHI payback etc.

All this information is quite overwhelming and is taking me some time to digest.
 
happyflyer said:
On the contrary do not stop posting is very few times we see someone get to the end and come back and tell us how it all went its just I am 70 this year and don't know if I will see you completed at this rate, I want you to get a move on and start making some decisions please, lets see some action winter is coming

Tony
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I need to have a quote before i make a decision............
 
IDCHAPPY said:
How the funk has this thread reached 8 pages? :lol:
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8??? 88 because ID we have been giving mixed messages, left hand doesn't know what right is doing
 
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Room sizes to accompany the drawings

The window sizes are in inches. sizes in brackets are in M.







Room height:


Back of house - 2.40m/7f 10


Front of house - 3.25m/10f 8





Doors and windows in inches:





Ground floor:


Front door - 80 x 70


Front living room - 87 x 113 (2.41x3.13)


Back living room - 78 x 102

(2.1x2.83)


Hall - 44 x 83 (1.2x2.3)


Back portion of the house - x2@ 42 x 47 (1.6x1.3)/ x2@ 43 x 21 (1.19x.58) / 46 x 46 (1.27x1.27)/ 46 x 67 (1.27x1.86)


Back door - 80 x 69 (2.2x1.9)





First floor:


Landing - 67 x 41 (1.86x1.6)


Front bedroom - 67 x 65 (1.86x1.80) & 30 x 14 (0.83x0.38) (En-suite - 50 x 30 (1.38x0.83))


Back bedroom - 70 x 58 (1.94x1.61) (En-suite - 51 x 55 (1.41x1.52)





Second Floor:


Landing - 40 x 47 (1.11x1.30)


Back bedroom - 35 x 63 (0.97x1.75)


Front bedroom - 45 x 65 (1.25x1.80)


bathroom - 45 x 58 (1.25x1.61)





Floors




Front living room - 13.3 (4.04) x 16.5 (5.48)

Rear living room - 17.11 (5.53) x 13.11 (4.25)



First Floor



Front bedroom - 16.11 (5.15) x 13.3 (4.03)

Front ensuite - 6.5 (1.96) x 5.10 (1.79)



Rear bedroom - 18.0 (5.49) x 13.3 (4.05)

Rear ensuite - 10.9 (3.27) x 6.11 (2.10)



Second Floor



Rear bedroom - 13.5 (4.08) x 16.7 (5.06)

Rear bedroom - 17.10 (5.43) x 13.5 (4.10)

Bathroom - 7 (2.12) x 7 (2.13)



Ground Floor




Double bedroom - 10.10 (3.07) x 11.10 (3.60)


Single bedroom/living dining - 19.1 (5.82) x 10.6 (3.21)


Kitchen - cellar - 35.6 (10.81) x 10.6 (3.21)
 
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