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tony n said:
I didnt do a formal apprenticship coz i was too old and left it too long in life to decide but am certainly time served lol.
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I have a massive problem with that line there, if you didnt do an apprenticeship, to me you're not time served.



Anyway, congratulations on passing, Its an absolute pain in the arse but a massive weight off your shoulders once you do finally get it all done!
 
Gray0689 said:
Yes thought it was a waste of time to be honest and that's how they do it at our local college only one they do online is the last one
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well thats out of date, im not even sure they can do that anymore, are you sure they still do it that way?

my tutor friend, Tony S, said he got lots of complaints from a group once, they said the previous tutor was a waste of time and taught them nothing, not sure what the subject was but say it was cold water, he started to ask them cold water questions and they answered them all, they were happy and smug as they did so, upon completion he said " so he taught you nothing did he?".

I think we tend to look back and think that at times, im sure we learn all the time without knowing it, imagine your own days at work, you are always gaining from every job. Now I agree there are good and bad teachers, there was at school, theres good and bad plumbers, but lets not take one experience and say its common across the whole plumbing sector.

Consider this, you came through the educational system and you are working as a successful plumber, that has to be regarded as a success
 
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fuzzy said:
well thats out of date, im not even sure they can do that anymore, are you sure they still do it that way?

my tutor friend, Tony S, said he got lots of complaints from a group once, they said the previous tutor was a waste of time and taught them nothing, not sure what the subject was but say it was cold water, he started to ask them cold water questions and they answered them all, they were happy and smug as they did so, upon completion he said " so he taught you nothing did he?". I think we tend to look back and think that at times, im sure we learn all the time without knowing it, imagine your own days at work, you are always gaining from every job. now i agree there are good and bad teachers, there was at school, theres good and bad plumbers, but lets not take one experience and say its common across the board
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I'm only saying it's common in my area can't comment on other areas
But I see I'm not alone in these comments
Tamz sees it as a problem also and I'm sure there will be others also
IMHO
Colleges are passing peaple couse they get funding and questions are asked if these peaple don't pass I have never heard of anyone over here failing if they are still there till the end your level 3 might be different if you do gas we don't
 
sorry, edited my thread as you were posting so reads a little different. Im not so sure Tamz sees it as negatively as you do, maybe he does. But lets keep a steady head, 2 people on a forum say they dont rate the current system (that is changing as said before) and you have made an assumption that there are more, that cannot be held as a majority view for the British educational system.

remember, if you are now successful, the system hasnt failed you
 
I never said the system failed me lol bit ott
Just didn't learn a lot think the college bit could be condensed down a lot in time wise and a lot more put on site work with a lot more site visits
 
college is one day a week, the other 4 are on site, that 1/5th of the training at best considering there are only about 36 school weeks a year, so the majority of the training is already done onsite.
is more site visits the answer? if you dont respect the college tutors why would you want them to come to site and visit you and how would this improve the education?
I know you never said the system failed you, but you have been very very negative about education and NVQs, my point is, if its so bad people would not have become a success under that system
 
Right I said nvq when did I mention education in a hole?
Over here it is 2 days a week for 2 years then 1 day after that
If not in full time work it is 3 days for first 2 years
You have your opinion I have mine everyone I know in plumbing over here thinks the system needs changing and as you have said it's changing let's hope this helps
 
here its a week in college every 3rd week for 3 years in the normal school hours and holidays, rest is on site
 
I am probably more against the modern way of teaching with continual assessment than colleges per se. It may have some advantages but it certainly does not encourage study.
But, it is also down to the quality of the teachers. If the teachers are bad at getting their point across everyone will struggle to understand but the students will nonetheless still pass because of the way the system is set up. No one fails anything in this word anymore incase it gives them a useless b complex.

Summit skills had a consultation with employers last year where we were asked what, in our opinion, should be included or dropped from the syllabus. There have been a few changes implemented with renewables etc being included but as far as i'm aware leadwork will still be in there to some extent due to the request of the majority of employers.
 
no lead in main qual tamz, it is an optional unit though

renewables is also only an option at l3, you choose that wet gas, oil or warm air gas. i suspect there is some basic content built in though

QCF will only take assessment further away from end tests as they MUST be unitised. It allows people to do one unit a year if they prefer and still succeed at the end. people can pick one unit they fancy from another trade and so on, in theory that is

its impossible to fail an NVQ, if you do it wrong you just haven't met that criteria yet. therefore in theory its impossible to fail, you just haven't passed yet
 
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Remember L2 is not an option up here. You are signing up for the 3 years min with the option of 4 if you are clever enough :wink: lol
 
I done 4 year apprenticeship, 3 years at college. I heard about an extra year at college you could do more for a supervisor role, but didn't hear much to be honest.
 
tamz said:
Remember L2 is not an option up here. You are signing up for the 3 years min with the option of 4 if you are clever enough :wink: lol
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ill hold on the 4!!!

i keep forgetting your from up there! keep forgetting they sign up for L3. youll need to remind me again in a couple of days time
 
Scotland has got it right on so many things, selling a house without getting screwed, squaters rights (or lack of them) to name a few, Buckfast etc.
 
buckfast is made in england funnily enough, but gets associated with scotland :p
 
thats stella for us, buckie is the "go aff yer heed" drink lol :p they are trying to ban it etc but in my experience people are much more of an arse on vodka
 
Think the topic is we will all agree to disagree on some things if we all thought the same be a very boring world lol
 
GQuigley67 said:
thats stella for us, buckie is the "go aff yer heed" drink lol :p they are trying to ban it etc but in my experience people are much more of an arse on vodka
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Locally we call it "Wreck the Hoose Juice", Stella is the same "wifebeater" all over I think.
 
i used to mix wkd with vodka instead of using coke or anything like that, was a bad idea as you could imagine lol
 
was more like waking up with hangover, with everyone angry at you lol
 
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