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great post tamz, looks like you need to be a member to read the second one though ..
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When I went to college to complete my 6129 I knew I had to complete my portfolio to get my NVQ as I'd researched it. However the college didn't mention it and no one else on the course realised until I said. They all thought that the course they were on would leave them qualified.
i discussed it at the college today, one of the ACS assessors says they get guys coming in with level 2s asking to do their ACS, not realising you need level 3 and a gas foundation course
looks like you need to be a member to read the second one though ..
SVQ level 3 is the minimum required in scotland thats what i mean fuzz and that requires an apprenticeship, to be able to do the ACS u need that. You get gas foundation courses for people who didnt do it at college but want to do later in life. This is what one of the lecturers told me today i was at the college for a vaillant day course
i dont know thats what he said, just told the guys they cant do it unless they have level 3 and do a gas foundation course which is right if you ask me
he has no right to refuse if they meet the criteria, you dont need any quals to do your acsi know you werent saying if it was right or wrong, i was just saying he's quite right turning down these guys that turn up with not enough qualifications.
anyone thinking of paying thousands of pounds for a fast track course should read this article first
[DLMURL="http://www.ciphe.org.uk/News/Are-fast-track-plumbing-courses-just-money-down-the-drain/"]Are fast-track plumbing courses just money down the drain? - CIPHE[/DLMURL]
short part of article:
Some companies offering fast-track courses claim there is a nationwide shortage of plumbers. "The country is in dire need of qualified plumbers," says Train4TradeSkills on its website, quoting a former trainee who "never takes home less than £1,200 per week". New Career Skills, another private training company, says in its latest brochure: "The massive plumbing shortage provides an opportunity for those who want a lucrative, secure and fulfilling career."
The reality can be very different. Ivor Bates, who runs a London plumbing firm, Bates Heating and Plumbing, says he is contacted three or four times each week by people who have completed a fast-track course and are desperate for work experience to achieve the industry-standard NVQ level 2.
"Around 10% of these guys offer to work for nothing and say they have rung endless plumbing companies and will do anything to get a foot in the door," he says. "One bloke saw my van outside Asda and ran into the supermarket after me and offered to pay me to take him on. But I would never take someone from one of these short courses because they have not got experience of working on-site and I would not be confident sending them into customers' homes."
I'd just like to say thankyou for putting this thread on. I have a person from train4tradeskills coming to give me information about their courses tomorrow as I was interested in training as a plumber to go along side my tiling work due to the fact I'm always getting asked if I do plumbing. After reading this thread I will certainly not be taking the course as I don't have 7 grand to waste. And respect for all you apprenticeship served plumbers the way to go would be a proper 4 year course if you want to do it properly.
I'd just like to say thankyou for putting this thread on. I have a person from train4tradeskills coming to give me information about their courses tomorrow as I was interested in training as a plumber to go along side my tiling work due to the fact I'm always getting asked if I do plumbing. After reading this thread I will certainly not be taking the course as I don't have 7 grand to waste. And respect for all you apprenticeship served plumbers the way to go would be a proper 4 year course if you want to do it properly.
met someone the other day who had spent 10k and had his 6129 level 2 and 3. he was doing the same, desperate for a placement to get his nvq;s. How do these people continue to fall for the rubbish they are told? they fall for the promise of money, heres to another one dropping out with 10k less than he started with
You probably started out as an apprentice and went on to self employment and are now master of your own destiny.
We followed a differemt career route, one where we worked for someone else who eventually decided they had no furter use for us.
So lets get something straight - we're not seduced by easy work for big money - we're normal guys who are being hit by redundancies and need to change careers in mid life - self empoyment may be our only option.
Yes I know the thread is a momnth or 2 old but I had a point to make.
Of course no one should hand over £10k without knowing what they are getting for it but not all are fools some are just desperate.
Having said that there does seem to be an underlying resentment in the trade that anyone should be able to fast track entry yet there is also a reluctance on their part to take on trainees (young and old) - bit of a catch22.
One day work will pickup, you will have retired and we'll have a skills shortage again.
It happened about 8 years ago and the industry trained 1,000s of people, hence now we have plenty...
mmm I remember the govt claims of a shortage of plumbers prompted massive marketing of plumbing courses by training centres and the promise of unrealistic earnings. Result a massive uptake in training, a surplus of trained plumbers with no experience and the skills shortage negated by an influx of foreign workers.
At no time during all this did the industry train up 1000s.
mmm I remember the govt claims of a shortage of plumbers prompted massive marketing of plumbing courses by training centres and the promise of unrealistic earnings. Result a massive uptake in training, a surplus of trained plumbers with no experience and the skills shortage negated by an influx of foreign workers.
At no time during all this did the industry train up 1000s.
"At no time during all this did industry train up 1,000s" I'm sorry my friend but around 8,000 have completed the full NVQs during this period. Where did you base this claim from if i may ask
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