Befits street

[Ermintrude]

Really is this the future?

Sorry no tabs no kids and no more booze. I just paid hmrc a lot of money for these lazy scroungers. I'm going on a social cleansing spree. Basically going to block flues and let co do the world a favour. These people cannot be allowed to have children and ruin there lives.

 

[Ermintrude]

So his mrs said get a job and he's leaving her? Tragic for kids.

 

[Toxic Ted]

Agreed......just done 10 large on HMRC to keep these things in the lifestyle they have become accustomed to... shocking waste of my hard earned!!!

 

[Ray Stafford]

I can't remember who said it, but it rings true:

"If you pay people to be poor, you will never run out of poor people"

 

[gassafe]

My favourite is "white dee" ...

 

[Ermintrude]

I'm driving to local slum to rid us of a few. I know it's a "human right" to have kids but surely it's a "human right" not to have your wages stolen to pay for these leeches? iPhones free prescriptions £106 a week because some pig is depressed.

How is being on 100% commission door to door selling a job?
Stafford's on a 100% profit 100% commission and we knock on his door?

 

[Reg Man]

That's gas chamber talk. Did not see the program, but agree thee must be urgent changes in the benefits system and these people should not be allowed to use the production of children to abuse the system. I feel sorry for those innocent children, it breads the next generation of undesirables for the support system.

 

[Toxic Ted]

I'm driving to local slum to rid us of a few. I know it's a "human right" to have kids but surely it's a "human right" not to have your wages stolen to pay for these leeches? iPhones free prescriptions £106 a week because some pig is depressed.

How is being on 100% commission door to door selling a job?
Stafford's on a 100% profit 100% commission and we knock on his door?

Don't think Ray see's it quite like that.........but i could be wrong

 

[Toxic Ted]

I feel sorry for those innocent children, it breads the next generation of undesirables for the support system.

Agreed.....if the kids grow up in that environment, then they see it as normal so carry on the lifestyle.

 

[Ermintrude]

A working class hero is some thing to be..... Only issue is that they are below working class?

 

[Ray Stafford]

Here a thought.

We spend £180bn annually on benefits.

It costs another £29bn to administer the system, so nearly £210bn all told.

£85bn goes on pensions. Fair enough.

Approx £30bn goes on sickness and disability. At a rough estimate, half of that is genuine.

So as a country, we could double our old age pension, and double the genuine disabled benefits, if we stopped paying benefits to people of working age.

Nett cost to the taxpayer = £Zero.

Sounds like a plan to me...

 

[Ermintrude]

Be a lot more crime. So probably best to invite them in for a review....accidentally terminate them one by one or even one thousand at a time. Or send them to Romania to truly understand the words poor and unscrupulous .

 

[Rickster123]

I only managed to watch 10 minutes of the program before I started getting angry and had to go to my smoking shelter.

 

[kirkgas]

I only managed to watch 10 minutes of the program before I started getting angry and had to go to my smoking shelter.

Haha so do I and I don't smoke
My missus shouts at me cause I'm shouting at them, but it's sickening to hear them whinge about being skint but they have a *** in one hand and a can in the other, benefit should be just enough to stop them starving,

 

[Ray Stafford]

There used to be a block in Pompey called Omega house, where all the young girls with babies were housed.

I argued that all the male residents of Portsmouth who paid tax ought to be issued with a season ticket, on the principle that if we were paying for the kids, we ought to be entitled to the pleasure of ...

 

[AWheating]

A who teaches these people you are entitled to anything in life. If somebody feels they are entitled to be a kept person I should be entitled to tell them to go fok them selves.

 

[IDCHAPPY]

Ray for PM \o/

 

[cr0ft]

Haha so do I and I don't smoke
My missus shouts at me cause I'm shouting at them, but it's sickening to hear them whinge about being skint but they have a *** in one hand and a can in the other, benefit should be just enough to stop them starving,

Benefits should be paid directly to their energy suppliers and in the form of food stamps. Literally just what they need to survive. Nothing else at all in my opinion.

 

[cr0ft]

Oh and if they don't like that and they go to prison. Chain gangs, hard labour. Daily. 7 days a week. 52 and a bit weeks a year. You get the picture. We have the rather bizarre setup where prison is much more cosy for idiots like this than being outside..

 

[Ray Stafford]

Benefits should be paid directly to their energy suppliers and in the form of food stamps. Literally just what they need to survive. Nothing else at all in my opinion.

Thats a bit harsh for people who have paid in all their life.

I would rather re-make the link to contributions. Imagine a 63 yr old factory worker who loses their job after 45 years of paying into the system. Don't they deserve more benefit than someone in their early 20s who has never paid a penny.

 

[Ray Stafford]

Ray for PM \o/

Nah, there are enough merchant (bankers) in Downing St.

 

[Masood]

Ray for PM \o/

Benefits to be paid in the form of biscuits and jelly babies!

 

[Paulus]

My missus wouldn't put it on coz she didn't want a spanner handle sticking out of the TV screen.

Benefit cheats make my blood boil.

My mate who's a decorator recently had major surgery on a tumour in his throat. Was told not to work for 6 months at least and 4 weeks after the op had to go back to work because he couldn't get any financial help unless he closed down his business completely. He has worked hard for 36 years, paid his dues and also employed others when business was good.

 

[IDCHAPPY]

My missus wouldn't put it on coz she didn't want a spanner handle sticking out of the TV screen.

Benefit cheats make my blood boil.

My mate who's a decorator recently had major surgery on a tumour in his throat. Was told not to work for 6 months at least and 4 weeks after the op had to go back to work because he couldn't get any financial help unless he closed down his business completely. He has worked hard for 36 years, paid his dues and also employed others when business was good.

That's terrible

 

[Phil]

Channel 4 have just showed every dumb chav in the country how to steal from shops by lining your bag in tin foil, imagine all those extra crimes now.

All the scum on that street buy all the stolen goods and rock bottom prices, 'White Dee' says ..."why shouldn't I buy it, its not affecting me"

Of course its affecting you, every item stolen on the high street has a knock on effect for all of us. Price increases to pay for more security gaurds etc.

All these people all day is bicker, sign on, go to collect prescriptions and sit on a sofa in the street that somehow is still dry to sit on after being left out all night?

 

[stevetheplumber]

so would you all back the return of the work house children seperated from parents husband and wife in seperate dorms and three bowls of porridge a day?

 

[Paulus]

so would you all back the return of the work house children seperated from parents husband and wife in seperate dorms and three bowls of porridge a day?

The kids would probably turn out better human beings if seperated from the parents.

 

[Roger Welton]

The kids would probably turn out better human beings if seperated from the parents.

I sadly agree, the little ones don't stand much of a chance when raised in that environment

 

[Rickster123]

There used to be a block in Pompey called Omega house, where all the young girls with babies were housed.

I argued that all the male residents of Portsmouth who paid tax ought to be issued with a season ticket, on the principle that if we were paying for the kids, we ought to be entitled to the pleasure of ...

I worked there for a few weeks. Some of my happiest working hours were spent in there!

 

[Rickster123]

so would you all back the return of the work house children seperated from parents husband and wife in seperate dorms and three bowls of porridge a day?

No. I'd give them 2 bowls. And a bowl of stew on Sundays. I'm not heartless.

 

[zeebeedee]

I'm not going to disagree the benifits system is out of control. However that program is so one sided its untrue. I work for a social housing firm in Liverpool I see the most poverty stricken people day in day out and I'm telling you straight the examples on that program are not an everyday occurance.

It's all well and good shouting the odds about the cost of the benifit system but it is needed and until job vacancies outnumber people then it's here to stay.

The program reeks of classic divide and conquer Tory tactics. Why are people annoyed by this program/ bEnifits in General when the real crooks go unpunished. The goverment say they need to cut 2.1 billion more next year when there was 25 billion lost in unpaid tax. Close the loop holes and tax the banks. Don't punish the poor further , food banks are fit to burst while politicians get a £400 a month food allowance!

You ou wouldn't see channel making a program on this .....

Parasite Street

 

[Ermintrude]

Nice work zeb. Interesting

 

[julesverne]

i see benefit scroungers everyday namely because i live in proximity to 3 councils estates. but for everyone that i think should be cut loose and left to fend for themselves there is another who is deserving of help. That said as much as these people who don't deserve to be on benefits irritate me. people who are millionaires billionaires irritate even more. they have so much money that it is obscene beyond comprehension. nobody who makes over 1 billion quid needs to dodge tax and in my opinion should be publicly shamed and birched just as much as the benefit cheat.

one day i feel this will come to a point where the poor and working class will rise up and not take this anymore and anarchy will reign over supreme. it may not happen in my lifetime but it will happen if the divide the between the super rich and poor keeps expanding. im already preparing for that day. just in case

 

[zeebeedee]

i see benefit scroungers everyday namely because i live in proximity to 3 councils estates. but for everyone that i think should be cut loose and left to fend for themselves there is another who is deserving of help. That said as much as these people who don't deserve to be on benefits irritate me. people who are millionaires billionaires irritate even more. they have so much money that it is obscene beyond comprehension. nobody who makes over 1 billion quid needs to dodge tax and in my opinion should be publicly shamed and birched just as much as the benefit cheat.

one day i feel this will come to a point where the poor and working class will rise up and not take this anymore and anarchy will reign over supreme. it may not happen in my lifetime but it will happen if the divide the between the super rich and poor keeps expanding. im already preparing for that day. just in case

The revolution is coming friend. It will be televised and I will be at the front!

 

[Nostrum]

The only way this country will change is if we all draw all our money out of the banks and refuse to pay any tax, which would mean not going to work. The country would grind to a halt.

only then will any of these political jackass's think about listening to what the average joe has got to say. Until then we are all just pawns to their fun and games.

The country is corrupt through and through, and anyone unfortunate enough to have to work to survive is getting robbed every day.

Sometimes I wonder if these benefit claimers have got it all right. We go to work thinking we are making something of our lives but in reality we are spending 50% of our time in this world paying into the system?

This lot might not have the posh car or own their own home but they have all the time in the world to do as they please, a roof over their head and food on the table. There's a large proportion of working families having to go to the food banks? How does that work?

 

[Reg Man]

My wife worked all her life, no breaks, full NI contributions, and got made redundant at 60. Thought ok I will claim for something. Absolute night mare not entitled to jack. Its really is quite disturbing. That is not quite what I would like to express, but would get banded and probably investigated by political investigation and IT police if I said it as it was.

 

[Ray Stafford]

There's a large proportion of working families having to go to the food banks? How does that work?

Its quite simple. Running food banks have become the middle class "charity-de-jour".

Think about it - if I set up beer banks (free beer for anyone who came through the door) - I would be over-run wouldn't I? If you give away something of value for free, of course there will be takers. Those takers are likely to be those on lowest incomes to be sure, but it doesn't prove anything except that people like free stuff.

 

[Ray Stafford]

It's all well and good shouting the odds about the cost of the benifit system but it is needed and until job vacancies outnumber people then it's here to stay.

2 points.

1) what about all the jobs that have been created in the last few years, but have been filled by immigrants?

2) the supply of jobs is neither finite, nor fixed, but depends upon the level of economic activity and productivity of everyone in society.

Imagine a completely empty country - plenty of natural resources, but no people. Then parachute in 100 people. There are no jobs, but 100 people - so they all have to go on benefits, right? Oh. Hang on. There are no productive, tax paying people to pay those benefits.

In the absence of the benefit options, the 100 people start to grow crops, or cut timber, or fish. For a while they exchange goods in barter economy, but eventually a money system arises. After a few generations, there are thousands of people, some specialising in building houses, others in food production, still others in brewing beer, or (eventually) even acting in plays, or playing professional sport.

So where have all these jobs come from? Who created them? The answer is that no one created them - human society naturally creates "employment" (ie doing something to assist survival) in the absence of any other option. As long as productivity is greater than is required for bare subsistence, everyone benefits, and since the industrial revolution, collective productivity has massively outstripped the requirements of subsistence - at least in the developed world.

So having a benefits system at a level above subsistence for people who COULD be productive (so I am excluding the geniunely disabled and the elderly) actually works against the interests of the whole in two different ways. It destroys the incentive for the "idle" to become economically active, and, by taxing the productive people to get the money to pay benefits, it reduces their incentive to continue working - thus making it more likely that they will join the ranks of the idle.

It is entirely different if we return to the old system where what you receive in benefits is tied to what you paid in by way of contributions. That is a simple insurance contract - no different in essence to any other insurance contract.

 

[TBServices]

Why aren't you the Prime Minister?

 

[Ray Stafford]

Why aren't you the Prime Minister?

Couldn't live on that little money Tom!

 

[stevetheplumber]

I'm not going to disagree the benifits system is out of control. However that program is so one sided its untrue. I work for a social housing firm in Liverpool I see the most poverty stricken people day in day out and I'm telling you straight the examples on that program are not an everyday occurance.

It's all well and good shouting the odds about the cost of the benifit system but it is needed and until job vacancies outnumber people then it's here to stay.

The program reeks of classic divide and conquer Tory tactics. Why are people annoyed by this program/ bEnifits in General when the real crooks go unpunished. The goverment say they need to cut 2.1 billion more next year when there was 25 billion lost in unpaid tax. Close the loop holes and tax the banks. Don't punish the poor further , food banks are fit to burst while politicians get a £400 a month food allowance!

You ou wouldn't see channel making a program on this .....

Parasite Street

im on social housing work as well and agree it is an eye opener how poor some people are sitting in the dark when they have no electric in the cold when they have no gas beds with very little in the way of bed clothes ,bare floors and little furniture
on the other hand ive been to houses with enough shoes to start a shop usually stored in the cupbord i need to get in

 

[TBServices]

Couldn't live on that little money Tom!

You could keep the Hyundai, and some other sucker would drive it for you!

I think you probably should consider running for local elections at least.

 

[Ray Stafford]

I think you probably should consider running for local elections at least.

I prefer to do my stealing over the tradecounter, like an honest highwayman.

 

[tamz]

one day i feel this will come to a point where the poor and working class will rise up and not take this anymore and anarchy will reign over supreme. it may not happen in my lifetime but it will happen if the divide the between the super rich and poor keeps expanding. im already preparing for that day. just in case

Russia tried that 97 years ago but it never turned out too well. There will always be winners and loser's, haves and have nots, doers and idlers in any society.

Ray makes some really good points

 

[zeebeedee]

Its quite simple. Running food banks have become the middle class "charity-de-jour".

Think about it - if I set up beer banks (free beer for anyone who came through the door) - I would be over-run wouldn't I? If you give away something of value for free, of course there will be takers. Those takers are likely to be those on lowest incomes to be sure, but it doesn't prove anything except that people like free stuff.

For once there ray you're wrong. You have to be referred to the food banks by either social services or the dole office. Refferals are hard to get and only supposed to be once every 3 months.

 

[zeebeedee]

2 points.

1) what about all the jobs that have been created in the last few years, but have been filled by immigrants?

2) the supply of jobs is neither finite, nor fixed, but depends upon the level of economic activity and productivity of everyone in society.

Imagine a completely empty country - plenty of natural resources, but no people. Then parachute in 100 people. There are no jobs, but 100 people - so they all have to go on benefits, right? Oh. Hang on. There are no productive, tax paying people to pay those benefits.

In the absence of the benefit options, the 100 people start to grow crops, or cut timber, or fish. For a while they exchange goods in barter economy, but eventually a money system arises. After a few generations, there are thousands of people, some specialising in building houses, others in food production, still others in brewing beer, or (eventually) even acting in plays, or playing professional sport.

So where have all these jobs come from? Who created them? The answer is that no one created them - human society naturally creates "employment" (ie doing something to assist survival) in the absence of any other option. As long as productivity is greater than is required for bare subsistence, everyone benefits, and since the industrial revolution, collective productivity has massively outstripped the requirements of subsistence - at least in the developed world.

So having a benefits system at a level above subsistence for people who COULD be productive (so I am excluding the geniunely disabled and the elderly) actually works against the interests of the whole in two different ways. It destroys the incentive for the "idle" to become economically active, and, by taxing the productive people to get the money to pay benefits, it reduces their incentive to continue working - thus making it more likely that they will join the ranks of the idle.

It is entirely different if we return to the old system where what you receive in benefits is tied to what you paid in by way of contributions. That is a simple insurance contract - no different in essence to any other insurance contract.

However that system becomes falwed through greed. Classic example is tescos. They are making billons in profit yet refuse to pay there staff the living wage! You say humans create jobs to assist survial. These people cant survive on minimum wage they are turning to food banks whilst the tesco fat cats sip champagne and eat caviar! The system has become badly unbalanced. Im not saying benifits are they are nothing but however why work and not even be able to feed the kids to make someone rich! Boll ocks to that!

 

[Ray Stafford]

For once there ray you're wrong. You have to be referred to the food banks by either social services or the dole office. Refferals are hard to get and only supposed to be once every 3 months.

Fair point Zeb, but the basic thrust of my post still applies. I just went on my local foodbank's website, and there is a big article about how every church should consider establishing one. The point is that foodbanks are "trendy" - just as a few years ago adopting an orphan in africa was trendy.

As for the referral system, its just the same principles, but through the proxy of the social worker. If you give the social worker or dole office a resource that they can use, that has no cost to them, then they will use it!

 

[zeebeedee]

*im noy saying benifits are good because they arnt but ...... *
Bloody ipad!!!!!!

 

[Ray Stafford]

These people cant survive on minimum wage they are turning to food banks whilst the tesco fat cats sip champagne and eat caviar!

Mate, you have been reading way too much Karl Marx (or the daily mirror)

Our nation is incomparably better off because of the activities of its business sector, imperfect and flawed though that may be. Tesco's and the other supermarkets have made an unbelievably positive contribution to the well being of the nation.

If you don't believe me, just take a trip to a country that doesn't have a well developed business sector, and in particular those that lack good food distribution and retailing infrastructures, and see what those people do for "survival".

 

[zeebeedee]

Mate, you have been reading way too much Karl Marx (or the daily mirror)

Our nation is incomparably better off because of the activities of its business sector, imperfect and flawed though that may be. Tesco's and the other supermarkets have made an unbelievably positive contribution to the well being of the nation.

If you don't believe me, just take a trip to a country that doesn't have a well developed business sector, and in particular those that lack good food distribution and retailing infrastructures, and see what those people do for "survival".

Then why the food banks? Why such poverty? Why is there such a gap between rich and poor and why is it growing? Would you say its right that a single mum working as a cashier in tescos cant make ends meet because minimum wage is so low when tescos make such massive profits?