Unsafe notices

[plumbdoctor]

Seem to be handing them out like sweets all for flues not sealed both sides of brickwork and brackets not screwed , can't see the big deal if both rubbers are fitted or it is sealed and they haven't screwed the bracket to the flue that go straight through the wall on old glow worm and vaillants, won't come apart ? Your views guys ? Having to issue at risks every day grrr

 

[Rickster123]

If its use the screws I'd tend to just screw it. Saves the paperwork and grief.

 

[Ermintrude]

U can't choose what you do, that's the point of GSIUR and GIUSP . U either notify or make good . Technically shouldn't u notify then make good though??

 

[Roger Welton]

Takes longer to write out paper work and explain to cust than to rectify for instances mentioned above, unless in 50th floor flat or other such exception.

 

[AWheating]

flue needs sealing outside as a min. Screws needed if required by manufacturer. Some manufacturers dont request screws at bracket and some flue joints so it cant be a issue really? if the flue supported and fitted as manufacturer requires. As others have stated it sometimes takes less time to put it right then fill out the paperwork.

Your company may not want you to put right tho? as it may get paid extra for rhis work.

 

[stevetheplumber]

pocket full of 13mm self drilling wafer head drywall screws and a impact driver 4 screws takes less than a minute easier than writing it up
but if you wish to be pedantic youve now got to fail it for having been modified as the screws are not as supplied by manufacturer

 

[Nostrum]

Apply common sense and you can't go far wrong.

N.C.S - something should be done but is not or the regulations have changed since it was installed. There is very little or no chance that it will ever cause an unsafe situation but you are highlighting it to the client.

A.R - there is a possibility that the fault could pose a danger but currently it is not.

I.D - its dangerous in its current state and needs immediate attention.

So my opinion is that a flue that is rock solid and screwed together, but doesn't have the correct amount of support would be n.c.s if you are sure it won't fall apart without someone taking a baseball bat to it. British gas would A.R it based on the unsafe procedures but they don't go into enough detail for individual cases IMO.

Flues near openings seems to be an exception to the rule in my opinion. Within the specified distance to a window or opening is N.C.S yet surely the distance is there for a reason and given the right conditions you could get P.O.C in the property which would make it I.D so surely that's A.R?

 

[plumbdoctor]

Agree with all posts but I'm subbing for a company that won't pay me for the above so it's paperwork galore ! Are we agreeing that even if it has rubber collar on flue outside but is not sealed underneath it's ar ? Even though there is no chance of poc's entering the building but over kill I'd say

 

[rabbitsaddle]

After a little issue from the " Turn up , turn off " boys ( BG ) I sought some specific advice on this issue from WB ,,,,
The weather seal provided with a horizontal flue kit is a sufficient seal, the manual will also state to make good of the whole, but this is down to interoperation, in terms of for example if a larger bore hole was drilled, by “making good” the flue you could patch the hole up.

You would need to ask the engineer why the collar provided is not sufficient so that we can try to come up with a solution.

The flue is designed to be fitted from inside, which will also confirm that any external work is not required.

 

[Dotty]

So basically you've an unsealed flue. BG have shut you down and you're looking for us to reinforce that which you've been told by WB so you can beat BG into turning you back on again?

Won't happen.

You need an independant GSR to take a look.

 

[tamz]

Worcesters, Vaillants and a couple of others state in their MI's that the supplied collars are sufficient seal.
No one uses the brain they were born with anymore as apparently there isn't a manual for it :wink:

 

[rabbitsaddle]

Fraid not sir ,,,, We are GSR , a project recently completed for a local HA had a property become void shortly after the install , BG came out to do a CP12 on change of tenancy . The lad core drilled the flue with approx 10mm clearance , fitted weathering collars as per MI . As we all know horizontal flues are generally designed so as to be fitted from inside the property ( as in a block of flats scenario ) . As is evident here its sometimes difficult to get a definitive answer so thought I'd consult the manufacturer ,,,,,,,, problem ?

 

[Dotty]

Fraid not sir ,,,, We are GSR , a project recently completed for a local HA had a property become void shortly after the install , BG came out to do a CP12 on change of tenancy . The lad core drilled the flue with approx 10mm clearance , fitted weathering collars as per MI . As we all know horizontal flues are generally designed so as to be fitted from inside the property ( as in a block of flats scenario ) . As is evident here its sometimes difficult to get a definitive answer so thought I'd consult the manufacturer ,,,,,,,, problem ?

I do when you give me attitude.

 

[Ermintrude]

Why would a HA pay BG to CP12 Or void check?? Smells a little to mee!

 

[rabbitsaddle]

I do when you give me attitude.

Sorry ???
I was simply trying to be helpful , I think if you read your initial reply the attitudes yours ,,,,,