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This is a follow on from the recent 1st floor wetroom we have installed where the customer had a leak coming down his ground floor hall wall (not the stairs wall) and notified us around 2 weeks after we had installed it.

13/03/2014: - Final payment for the wetroom transferred by BACS on 13/03/2014.
31/03/2014: - Call at 7:30am to inform me the downstairs wall under the shower is wet. I attend at around 9am and spot a small gap in the silicon seal around the concealed shower plate. I reseal and I wait to hear if that fixes it.
01/04/2014: - Email from customer stating that although the affected area has expanded slightly (the damp mark on the wall) there appears to be no further leakage. He believes that the issue is sorted. I reply by email offering to repair the wall and repaint but suggest we should leave it for 2 weeks to do this first. I agree.
03/04/2014: - Email at 8:30pm informing me that the leak has gotten worse again. Water is coming out of the door frame downstairs immediately below the shower. I have to reply stating that I am away down South for a funeral of a friend and won't be back until Monday.
04/04/2014: - Email at 21:21 from the customer stating they have found the leak with the endoscope camera they have borrowed from their work. I am unable to pick this email up until today as I am away. Leak is on a plastic push fit 15mm tee on the cold mains feed to the shower (under the floor of the wetroom/above the hall ceiling, immediately over the damaged wall downstairs).
05/04/2014: - Email at 13:07 from the customer stating they have had to bring in another plumber to fix the issue as they can't wait 4 days without cold mains water. I am unable to pick this email up until today as I am away. No effort was made to call/text me to agree this on my phone. Had it been I would have sent my employee over to fix this. The charge from the other plumbing company was £137.80p - £7.50p for a replacement Speedfit 15mm equal tee, £104 for labour then 20% VAT on top.. Customer also states there is a 2nd leak on the tap connector connecting onto the shower head (concealed shower) that comes on when the shower is running hot water. It does not leak when the shower is not running and it is a slow leak so is unlikely to have contributed to the damage.
07/04/2014: - I visit the property and open an upstairs wall on the opposite side of the stud wall to the shower in order to fix the leak on the back of the shower head. This head has not been connected too with a copper to iron elbow due to the cavity not being wide enough to fit one in, thus a bent tap connector has been used. The shower head (supplied by customer) is in effect too wide to fit properly in the cavity but I made it fit by fitting a bent tap connector instead of a copper to iron elbow, not ideal though I know. I have offered verbally to patch, skim and repaint all 3x affected walls and also the downstairs hall ceiling. Customer states that he wants all 3 rooms repainted entirely including the upstairs hall (unaffected by water damage). I have stated that I would not be willing to do this. Customer is concerned about getting an exact colour match with the other walls. My view is that the house will be left in a better state once repair work is done than it was before (the existing decor was rather old even before the damage). Customer cannot remember what brands/colours of paint was used in each room although they have stated that they decorated the rooms since the house was built (it's around 10 years old).

I am proposing to offer replastering and painting of the damaged walls/ceiling only and also pay the plumber's charge too, even though we were not contacted before he was brought in. Does this seem reasonable?
 
Any plumber that says they have never had a leak is a lying barsteward.
 
Are they wanting you to pay for the emergency plumbers aswell?
 
Worth bearing in mind that insurance companies won't support betterment. They will put back to the original state but any improvement would still be down to you so even less point in claiming.
 
Suggest he claims off his house insurance and you pay the excess. It's a lovely solution.
 
Not EVERYBODY tells people about bad experiences with tradesmen. News of a less than satisfactory experience probably doesn't spread as much as people like to say. Even cowboy builders worthy of a TV appearance seem to manage to find no end of customers. And even if it did spread a bit, you know what conversations are like, nobody listens to each other half the time and are they going to remember the name of the company the person was yakking on about?

The reason it takes 5 years on average for a tradesman doing good work to become full time on rep alone is word spreads but it spreads very slowly. And even if a bad rep spreads faster, the odd job with a unhappy customer isn't going to do much damage unless they're taking it to The Mail Online. I'm not saying this with any reference whatsoever to do with the job in question. Just a side point that I think the old adage that a happy customer will tell a couple of people and an unhappy one will tell 20 is probably massively overstated. And in the case of someone who leaves behind them the very occasional slightly less than totally pleased customer, the effect will be as good as nonexistant.
 
Not EVERYBODY tells people about bad experiences with tradesmen. News of a less than satisfactory experience probably doesn't spread as much as people like to say. Even cowboy builders worthy of a TV appearance seem to manage to find no end of customers. And even if it did spread a bit, you know what conversations are like, nobody listens to each other half the time and are they going to remember the name of the company the person was yakking on about?

The reason it takes 5 years on average for a tradesman doing good work to become full time on rep alone is word spreads but it spreads very slowly. And even if a bad rep spreads faster, the odd job with a unhappy customer isn't going to do much damage unless they're taking it to The Mail Online. I'm not saying this with any reference whatsoever to do with the job in question. Just a side point that I think the old adage that a happy customer will tell a couple of people and an unhappy one will tell 20 is probably massively overstated. And in the case of someone who leaves behind them the very occasional slightly less than totally pleased customer, the effect will be as good as nonexistant.

I think you statement it true when living in an urban area. But like myself, living in a rural location. Reputation is everything.
 
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