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[CCN1 Assessor]

I have yet to see boiler M.I's that state you MUST use a FGA on a new install. I do it anyway cos thats the kind of guy I am.

Personally I think the guy is guilty of negligence but tbh, I think he was unfortunate and the guilt he will suffer for the rest of his life is punishment he will never forget. I think if you don't feel bad for the guy there's something wrong.

It's pretty easy to persecute someone from your comfy chair in your assessment centre, if you really ARE what you say you are.


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From Alpha InTec C & X manual, it is on their website if you still don't believe it.

5.6 CHECK THE BURNER PRESSURES - Figs. 26 and 27​

Press and hold in the reset button for eight seconds and the boiler will fire at a fixed output depending on the position of theboiler central heating thermostat knob.Turn the boiler central heating thermostat to maximum to check the maximum central heating burner pressure.With the boiler central heating thermostat set to maximum fully open a hot tap to check the maximum domestic hot waterburner pressure. In this mode the inlet gas supply pressure and CO/CO​

2 ratio can be checked. Refer to Technical Data, Section 2.1 and 2.2 for the required differential burner pressure values.​

Note: The burner pressure settings have been factory set and should not require adjusting.

 

[CCN1 Assessor]

Sorry but I've already been assessed, by someone who wasn't a complete douche. And I was also subject to INTERNAL VERIFICATION. Thanks for your concern.

Seems strange to me to join a forum with the sole intention of acting like an arse in a single thread.

I FGA for a number of reasons. Safety being first, I'm not saying it shouldnt be done, I'm saying it's NOT A REQUIREMENT, unless stated otherwise, which is very rare.

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You are the one acting the "douche" and a complete P**T, if you are the typical forum member then I will not bother looking in again, I found this forum today and joined to help people to get the right information, unlike you giving FALSE information, I replied to a post that was incorrect, check your facts, why did you join? just because you like to think you know everything when you really don't, keep going.
I hope that what happened to the girl in question NEVER happens to ANYONE else, not even you or the engineer that did it, yes he will have to live with what he has done and prison may not be justified to some but opinion (and I am entitled to it and to voice it) is he should serve it all
If people have the right information then it should not, if they listen to you then it might to them.

 

[mountainman]

Careful ccn1 assesor, IMO it's easy to criticise other peoples failings when you don't do the tools for a living anymore.

 

[CCN1 Assessor]

Careful ccn1 assesor, IMO it's easy to criticise other peoples failings when you don't do the tools for a living anymore.

I agree and I may not be on my tools anymore in the real world but I do have to constantly work in a safe manner in the centre, monitor what people are doing in the assessment centre and update the appliances, in fact I am finding it harder and harder to install appliances that don't meet the regs due to the safety systems that are being used, I know that everything that is required is not done in the real world, i have no control over that, I dont agree with all the requirements for the assessments but I also see some of the candidates that come through the centre that should never have a gas safe card/

 

[TBServices]

I already said unless stated otherwise, which I have personally never seen. I'm not disputing that it may be the case in some instances. Why use a singular example out of the possible hundreds of boiler instructions to argue your case? Because its the only example you can find, that's why.

Let's put this to bed.



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[tamz]

CCN1 for someone who works in an assessment centre your knowledge and understanding of the regs leaves a bit to be desired regardless on your views of this sad incident.

CPA1 is mandatory, you HAVE to hold it from the 1st april or your CCN1 is invalid so if that is the case WHY is it not a requirement to have AND use one, answer, it is required.

I'll let you find that one out for yourself as you will have access to all the regs. Have a read. Hint GSIUR.
And also you should know the mandatory date has been put back a wee bit.

Look on the benchmark paperwork, there is a field to fill in regarding CO/CO2 ratio

You missed out the bit saying "if required by the manufacturer, record the following"

From Alpha InTec C & X manual, it is on their website if you still don't believe it.

5.6 CHECK THE BURNER PRESSURES - Figs. 26 and 27​

Press and hold in the reset button for eight seconds and the boiler will fire at a fixed output depending on the position of theboiler central heating thermostat knob.Turn the boiler central heating thermostat to maximum to check the maximum central heating burner pressure.With the boiler central heating thermostat set to maximum fully open a hot tap to check the maximum domestic hot waterburner pressure. In this mode the inlet gas supply pressure and CO/CO​

2 ratio can be checked. Refer to Technical Data, Section 2.1 and 2.2 for the required differential burner pressure values.
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Note: The burner pressure settings have been factory set and should not require adjusting.

I've highlighted the key word for you. You should know the difference in meaning between can, shall, should or must as you are teaching it every day.

If you are going to have a rant get your facts right. Maybe all you have highlighted in your posts apart from your opinions (some of which i do agree with) is that some assessors are perhaps not as clever or as high and mighty as they think they are.
Just because we work with our hands does not make us fools.

 

[CCN1 Assessor]

ccn1 for someone who works in an assessment centre your knowledge and understanding of the regs leaves a bit to be desired regardless on your views of this sad incident.

I'll let you find that one out for yourself as you will have access to all the regs. Have a read. Hint gsiur.
And also you should know the mandatory date has been put back a wee bit.



You missed out the bit saying "if required by the manufacturer, record the following"



i've highlighted the key word for you. You should know the difference in meaning between can, shall, should or must as you are teaching it every day.

If you are going to have a rant get your facts right. Maybe all you have highlighted in your posts apart from your opinions (some of which i do agree with) is that some assessors are perhaps not as clever or as high and mighty as they think they are.
Just because we work with our hands does not make us fools.

yes and **** you too> now lets hope that is enough to ban me and delete my account, really cannot be bothered to be on here with all you loosers

 

[Nostrum]

I agree in principle with CCNassessor and lets face it, if we could all spend 5 days on a boiler chop and polish the pipes with brasso we would. But it's not like that any more. Saturated market, dog eat dog and unregistered or cash in hand fitters to compete with.

This isn't an excuse but what is done in a theoretical practise and what people have to do to earn a living are far apart from one another. Not condoning what has happened at all, I agree the bloke got off lightly considering the outcome, if it were my daughter i'd want to see blood but this is a situation created by incompetence not only on the installers behalf, but the whole economy and mindset of customers who want cheap cheap cheap... well this may be the outcome

Also, FGA's, condensing boilers, a lot has changed over the last 10 years yet we are still referring back to GSIUR which is 15 years old? These kind of practises need to be made compulsory to give clarity to the requirements and yes I think every boiler new or old should be analysed as it is a quick test that provides you enough info to make a decision on the spot if an appliance is burning correctly or not.

 

[tamz]

yes and **** you too> now lets hope that is enough to ban me and delete my account, really cannot be bothered to be on here with all you loosers

Learn from constructive criticism. No one is perfect and we are all forever learning.
You won't get banned for 4 stars. Hang around a bit as i'm sure you have some good stuff to offer.

 

[tamz]

Also, FGA's, condensing boilers, a lot has changed over the last 10 years yet we are still referring back to GSUIR which is 15 years old? These kind of practises need to be made compulsory to give clarity to the requirements

It will come but these things take a bit time to do.