Has any one heard of CombiSave

[Bodd]

Has any one heard of CombiSave??

If so does it work and does it last? or does it pack up after 5 minuetes?

Bod

 

[Puddle]

It works by restricting the flow of water through the boiler until hot ,like the puma used to do. does it work, well yes, better in summer when heating not on and starting from cold, as long as no pre heat, you could just turn tap down till water coming through is hot, I would not go out of my way to fit one and savings it claims a stretched a bit me thinks

imho

 

[Bodd]

I met the fella who invented it at an expo at Excel

Alls seems very interesting to me.

Problem is they want £80 + the vat for the unit. Don't leave alot for us to put on to make it tempting for the customer.
Then we have to go and sort it out if it cronks out.

Love the idea but don't think I'll be installing one untill its tried and tested, cheaper and asked to fit one.

Bod

 

[CombiSave]

Hi, I’m from Mole Group, I saw on here people talking about CombiSave. It’s great that our product has got people talking! I just wanted to answer a few of the questions raised...
1. Can it really save that much gas or water?
Savings will depend on the number of people in a home, their hot water usage and habits, hence vary enormously. At current gas prices the estimated savings for a family of four averages £66 but that is the average, on a couple of boilers the savings were around £150. The water savings are £180. Check out our fact sheet on www.combisave.com to see how these figures were calculated.

2. Does it last?
CombiSave units are UK made, robust and should last 10-20 years. The oldest one fitted to the rudimentary design has been in place problem-free for five years.

3. We are proud to have a quality product that is designed, made and assembled in the UK. Cutting costs in manufacture would have meant compromising quality and durability of this “fit and forget item”. The current price of CombiSave units are 1 = £79, 5 = £65, 10 = £59. High volume sales are handled individually.

Our website is updated weekly so please look for further details www.combisave.com or if you have any questions email me at [email protected].

Cheers, Dave at Mole Group

 

[GQuigley67]

so what does it essentially do, if you don't mind explaining. Does it reduce the time the hot water takes to get to the tap ? as if there is a return in the system ?

 

[CombiSave]

Hi, thanks for the interest.
The CombiSave fits very easily to the hot pipe immediatley after the combiboiler. It very acurately measures the temperature and if it is below our factory setting of 40 degrees then it slows the flow rate down to two litres per minute. This causes the water the boiler to rapidly warm up as you are not removing the heat as much as it would of done and as soon as the water reaches 40 degrees the valve gently opens to allow full flow of water. On average you will get hot water 21 seconds faster!!
Of course the savings will fluctulate due to many factors, but a family of 4 should be saving around £200 on water and gas per year.
Please visit Combisave, there is the independent test report and on the facts page there are fitting instructions.
The new valves are being assembled in Cornwall and will be available in 2 weeks from the web site.
Please don't hesitate to contact us for further information.
Regards

David Furlong

 

[julesverne]

Nice idea but a tad expensive. me thinks needs to be around the 49.99 price bracket for us plumbers to be able to up sell it and add our labour. it may well save money but it's hard enough to get people to invest in a magnetic filter let alone a water/gas saving device.

 

[pobsdad]

So long as it's not one of those cons you see on the shopping channels,the price will drop eventually.Its good to see that British industry is coming up with new ideas,still.

 

[Bodd]

I like the idea but it is too exspensive. £79 plus the Vat. Thats before we have put on our labour or any profit.

So say we charge £50 to install the unit, thats knocking it past £150 for job done.

Plus for our £50 we have to guarentee your product for a year.

You need to make it cheap enough for us to start recommending it.

 

[md68]

Got to agree with the others it's a tad on the expensive side. There needs to be at least £95 - £100 profit for fitting this. Otherwise it's not really going to be worth the effort of marketing this to my customer base. I would be able to make more profit by fitting a scalemaster gold and topping up the inhibitor during a routine service call. However I do think it's a good & very clever idea and I will try to sell a few... just for the crack

 

[Bodd]

Got to agree with the others it's a tad on the expensive side. There needs to be at least £95 - £100 profit for fitting this. Otherwise it's not really going to be worth the effort of marketing this to my customer base. I would be able to make more profit by fitting a scalemaster gold and topping up the inhibitor during a routine service call. However I do think it's a good & very clever idea and I will try to sell a few... just for the crack

I'd fit one myself so I can recommend something I beleive in. When I have a spare £100 I may just do that.
Rather try it on myself than get call backs from unsatified customers.

Want it to work and be succesful because its British, we all need to back up our industry in this country but we need some sort of incentive out of this as well.

Because we are the ones who pick up the peices if all goes wrong.

Bod

 

[paulnwales]

i cant see many ppl wanting it put in at that price, most ppl are struggling at the moment, esp when you tel them its no diff really to not opening your tap fully to begin with... how many more things will they come up with for us to install. I would have thought if it was a good as there figures state that the big boys will just build them into the boiler ?

 

[CombiSave]

Hi md68.

Thanks for the feed back, really apreciate it. At the moment they are assembled by hand and every one is independently tested before it leaves the factory in Cornwall. The manufactures has been around since 1928 and produced all the valves and sensors for Spitfires, Hurricanes and Lancasters and still produce for MOD, Rolls Royce and JCB. So it should be a quality product. Depending on sales, if the demand is high enough sometime in the future the system should become automated and then possible the costs may hopefully reduce!
I have thought the best way to sell them would be if your carrying out a service or a repair on the boiler then that might be the best time to fit one. They only take 10 minutes to install and we have been charging £149 inclusive for the prototypes. We would hope that people would want the Combisave because of its gas/water/time and money saving capabilities and the gas savings can equate to the same or more than solar heating panels which as you know are many times more expensive.

Thanks for being interested and we should have the first production combisave's available by the 18th April.

Hi Bod,

Just to let you know we installed around 200 prototypes over the last 5 years giving every paying customer the right to have it removed and the money given back to them in full if they thought it did not work for them or they were just not happy with it.
So far, no one has asked for one to be removed!
And the New valves are better again than the original prototypes.
So fingers crossed and help from you guys it will be a British Success as we will hope to be exporting to europe by the end of the year.

HI Paul.

Just to let you know as the combisaves are brand new we have only recently being given samples to UK boiler manufactures who are about to carry out their tests on them.
I'll let you know when I hear any news.

Regards

David Furlong

PS. it is similar to opening a tap slowly, but no one could do it as preciesly or everytime as the CombiSave does and you can't train everyone in the house!

 

[tackleburger]

Glorified TRV bit of a gimmick easy to get the sums to add up. Decent boilers all have some sort of keep warm facility such as the vaillant aqua comfort. Surely the customer can be told just to ease the tap open for half a minute then turn it up. I think I might start doing that actually save them £150. I hate this gimmicks and the claims that come with them load of nonsense.

 

[paulnwales]

Glorified TRV bit of a gimmick easy to get the sums to add up. Decent boilers all have some sort of keep warm facility such as the vaillant aqua comfort. Surely the customer can be told just to ease the tap open for half a minute then turn it up. I think I might start doing that actually save them £150. I hate this gimmicks and the claims that come with them load of nonsense.

agree with you on that!