Gas Safe wants your money

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Hi guys

I dunno what this detritus is but I have recieved this from Capita Sorry I mean Gas Safe any way I avent read it properly cos I cant be bothered all I saw was the fact that again they are asking for more money so If you are happy paying more and more to be in you chosen trade then fine keep paying, If your not happy then voice yer opinions


Access to normative standards and documents for smaller Gas Safe registered businesses

Following the groundbreaking agreement between BSI, IGEM and UKLPG to provide smaller businesses with access to the essential industry standards all Gas Safe registered businesses must work to, work has been underway to develop a simple subscription system to bring these documents to engineers.

A number of industry groups and individuals have lobbied for many years to bring down the costs, particularly for smaller businesses and sole traders. It has been estimated that a complete set of all the current industry standards could cost up to £17,000, putting them out of reach for many smaller businesses. By agreeing to reduce the costs for smaller businesses it is hoped this will make it easier for individual engineers to access this essential information.

Gas Safe Register has been asked to host the system on its website as we can provide a secure environment and have systems in place to manage payments. Testing has now been completed and the system is now available to access:

What is available?
More than 80 individual essential Standards documents (32 IGEM, 36 BSI, 16 UKLPG) covering domestic, commercial and industrial gas installations are available on the system. As new standards are issued they will be added to the database.

Where can I find it?
To subscribe to the system, log into your online account at:
www.User PlumbersForums.net Instead - Copy the content, don't link to it.co.uk/engineers using your User ID and password. Click on ‘Standards Subscriptions’ on the left hand side of the page. You will then be taken through the subscription and payment options.

What can I do with the documents?
Documents can be read on screen on the secure website or they can be printed. Electronic copies cannot be saved to your hard drive – this is partly to reduce the risk of pirating but also to ensure that the version you see is always up to date.

What does this cost?
You can subscribe from £75.00 per year if your business has 1 – 5 engineers. (If you subscribe for three years the cost is £180.00)
If your business has 6 -10 engineers then a subscription is £150 per year (or £360 for three years)

A full FAQ on the Access to Standards scheme is available on the website.

Yours sincerely

Simon Ayers
Gas Safe Register



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isn`t It is supposed to be a non profit organization cough cough

 

[Puddle]

Am I missing something here,gas safe are not responsible for the regulations coming into force,they just have been appointed to run the gas safe register and assist in the policing of the regulations,if you have a gripe about the set up of the regulations indeed laws of the land relating to the gas industry,get on to your mp and government departments

Gas safe officially is no position to comment on the above and have responded to the issues in question/thread topic and explained there involvement quite clearly

Are we saying this service should not be supplied because it costs money,were gas safe to say,''we will not provide our set up unless all is free'',thus probably provide nothing or forcing the bodies to go else were ,using a platform that would then cost us more for the documentation,by providing there existing infrastructure ,they have kept the price down,monies collected is not all theirs,will be no doubt dispensed between the agencies concerned to cover costs

Back to gas registration,I was voluntarily reg before legislation,let it lapse when I came to London, as no one here was and at the time was mad the way everything was handled ,not necessarily the end result (we older plumbers are usually very free spirited anyway and hate restrictions)however we are now in 2011 and legislation has been passed and the system has been established and gas safe are part of that system,sit back and look at their role and how they carry that out and what charges they make to carry out there responsibilities,yes things can improve here and there but that is the same all over(there is no way everyone will be happy about every issue) over all,if we are honest,they are carrying the role out in a very satisfactory manor,as said many things they get criticised for ,are in fact not in their control or just criticised for the fact they are linked to the big'C'
We have a professional body because we are now classed as being professional,with this goes cost,therefore many will attack the system just because of this fact and non other and there is no advantage to any of us committing self harm

We are not going back to the old unregistered days,so pull up your braces and work out how to improved the industry within the environment we are in,this is what gas safe have done again,in making these documents available to us at a affordable price and again ,I thank them for that

And just to make things clear,I am not connected to gas safe or feel a need to lick their butt just a normal gas plumber,who looks out from my van window,see's cost of membership very reasonable as the renewables guys are finding,the gas mag has come on leaps and bounds and would recommend everyone finds the time to read it,with its inclusion of up to date bulletins and dare I say it,articles have become readable and interesting,the web site has improved a lot and I get around it ok,like any thing you have to get use to it,maybe others have not used for a while,if so,get on there,will be surprised at improvements.
I reregistered this year,so easy ,thought I must have made a mistake
The main area I think they should be looking at now is the lack of experience new trained members have under their belt,this is a difficult situation and know they are monitoring closely,which is one of the reasons old timers may not see an inspector as they are concentrating,quite rightly on policing this area

maybe a bit more of the glass half full not half empty attitude

:rant:
imho

 

[unguided1]

isn`t It is supposed to be a non profit organization cough cough

Nah Corgi was supposedly non profit company, but gas safe is run by a company that has to give dividens to its shareholders

 

[unguided1]

Am I missing something here,gas safe are not responsible for the regulations coming into force,they just have been appointed to run the gas safe register and assist in the policing of the regulations,if you have a gripe about the set up of the regulations indeed laws of the land relating to the gas industry,get on to your mp and government departments

Gas safe officially is no position to comment on the above and have responded to the issues in question/thread topic and explained there involvement quite clearly

Are we saying this service should not be supplied because it costs money,were gas safe to say,''we will not provide our set up unless all is free'',thus probably provide nothing or forcing the bodies to go else were ,using a platform that would then cost us more for the documentation,by providing there existing infrastructure ,they have kept the price down,monies collected is not all theirs,will be no doubt dispensed between the agencies concerned to cover costs

Back to gas registration,I was voluntarily reg before legislation,let it lapse when I came to London, as no one here was and at the time was mad the way everything was handled ,not necessarily the end result (we older plumbers are usually very free spirited anyway and hate restrictions)however we are now in 2011 and legislation has been passed and the system has been established and gas safe are part of that system,sit back and look at their role and how they carry that out and what charges they make to carry out there responsibilities,yes things can improve here and there but that is the same all over(there is no way everyone will be happy about every issue) over all,if we are honest,they are carrying the role out in a very satisfactory manor,as said many things they get criticised for ,are in fact not in their control or just criticised for the fact they are linked to the big'C'
We have a professional body because we are now classed as being professional,with this goes cost,therefore many will attack the system just because of this fact and non other and there is no advantage to any of us committing self harm

We are not going back to the old unregistered days,so pull up your braces and work out how to improved the industry within the environment we are in,this is what gas safe have done again,in making these documents available to us at a affordable price and again ,I thank them for that

And just to make things clear,I am not connected to gas safe or feel a need to lick their butt just a normal gas plumber,who looks out from my van window,see's cost of membership very reasonable as the renewables guys are finding,the gas mag has come on leaps and bounds and would recommend everyone finds the time to read it,with its inclusion of up to date bulletins and dare I say it,articles have become readable and interesting,the web site has improved a lot and I get around it ok,like any thing you have to get use to it,maybe others have not used for a while,if so,get on there,will be surprised at improvements.
I reregistered this year,so easy ,thought I must have made a mistake
The main area I think they should be looking at now is the lack of experience new trained members have under their belt,this is a difficult situation and know they are monitoring closely,which is one of the reasons old timers may not see an inspector as they are concentrating,quite rightly on policing this area

maybe a bit more of the glass half full not half empty attitude

:rant:
imho

Hi puddle excellent rant and compeletly justified
I agree that Gas Safe are not responsible for making the regulations but I want to know who actually writes them also Gas Safe I assume are there not just to administer the register but also to represent me and if not why not. Many times I have written to MPs and met with them over many things and I am afraid to say that I never met a compitant MP yet, that was able to do anything at all.


I am also not saying that the register should be done away with at all, but why does our industry have to be so splintered, the point I am trying to get across is that there should be a register that encompasses the whole of the industry, and not just parts of it, my reason for saying this is when you talk to joe public they immediatley assume that because you are GS you must be a fully qualified heating engineer and plumber, and this is not the case in many instances
therefore I strongly beleive that their should only be one body and one fee that encompasses gas, oil, solid fuel, renewables, heating and plumbing. My reason for saying this is that when you turn up on a job and yer charging a customer £250 a day the customer believes that the money you are charging is going straight into your pocket, when the reality is you are charging to cover the cost of retrainning every 5 years and covering the cost of all the bodies you have to be a member of, along with all other associated costs.

 

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and still no response from Gas Safe