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[SUB]is it true there will be no gas heating in new builds from 2016 ?
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got an email from Specflue training
R
Resolute
Can't see it happening, the utilities will still want to sell it so I guess they'll run a service and when people move in they'll get boilers etc installed.
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Its very much happening now !!!
Most new build sites now are building without gas appliances now by 2016 all new builds must be gas free
district heating from 2 wood chip boilers which went out to HIU's was last new build i worked on last year
otherwise ground source and ashp is future
Most new build sites now are building without gas appliances now by 2016 all new builds must be gas free
district heating from 2 wood chip boilers which went out to HIU's was last new build i worked on last year
otherwise ground source and ashp is future
J
jase158
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What will u use instead?
electric? Ground source? air source?
Gonna be a cold winter in that house?
I cant see it being true unless there is something to replace it
What will u use instead?
electric? Ground source? air source?
Gonna be a cold winter in that house?
I cant see it being true unless there is something to replace it
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Very much true fella , this country is to gas hungry
dunno what british gas will call themselves
prob bristish air source power flush
R
RPG 80
Also new builds for housing associations from next year will be built without gas.
Good job they don't use fossil fuels to generate electricity at the power station, else it be a bit daft really.
Good job they don't use fossil fuels to generate electricity at the power station, else it be a bit daft really.
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since a large proprtion of electric is from gas fired power stations its all madness
New builds are great for renewables as they are that well insulated but its everybody else whos houses will cost a fortune to get insulated and will pay a fortune for gas instead.
As for electric coming from gas I think in the near future most will come from nuclear power.
As for electric coming from gas I think in the near future most will come from nuclear power.
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2019 the cooker regs are changing due to the new nuclear reactors being built they are to become nuclear powered cookers , gas and electric appliances are to become obsolete .
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The ACS assessor told me that 2 years ago. I understand it will only effect new build so we will still be allowed to fit gas appliances in existing properties beyond 2016
J
jase158
theoretically we could still fit gas to new build a month after they are sold, will just be a massive bill for the bill payer as they get a gas supply to the house
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Sorry, a bit long. It's a good read though.
I found this PDF on www.decc.gov.uk
"The Future of Heating:A strategic framework for low carbon heat in the UK" March 2012
http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/...t/4805-future-heating-strategic-framework.pdf
From the above:
And, while natural gas will supply the majority of our heat demand well into the 2020s, cutting emissions from buildings and industry means taking the carbon out of heat in the longer term, managing demand through energy and resource efficiency, and replacing fossil fuels with low carbon alternatives.
This does not need to be a threat.We can see this as a great opportunity for the UK; an opportunity to diversify our sources of heat, make our processes more efficient and our companies more competitive, to develop our cities and towns in sustainable ways that prepare us for a low carbon future, and to bring renewable heat into the mainstream alongside gas boilers, a market which currently sees around 1.6 million new boilers put into homes every year.
From Chapter 2: Transforming Building-Level Heating
• In the majority of UK homes and businesses, heating spaces and water means burning gas in a boiler. For some, it means burning oil, or using electric heaters. Low carbon heating offers cleaner and often more efficient alternatives which will prepare our homes and businesses for the future with sustainable and secure supplies of heat.
• While gas will supply the majority of our heat for many years to come, the change to low carbon is already beginning. Many new homes is now fitted with a heat pump, able to operate three to four times more efficiently than a gas boiler, and businesses are increasingly using heat pumps as a convenient way to both heat and cool their buildings.
• We need to start building the market for low carbon and renewable heat now, both to achieve our goal of supplying 15% of UK energy from renewables by 2020 and to deliver affordable, efficient low carbon heat in the future.
Where we need to be
2.1 By 2050, we need to remove all direct greenhouse gas emissions from heating our buildings.This is exceedingly challenging, and means that any heat generated at building level must be set on a low carbon footing by replacing fossil fuel-based heating technologies within individual buildings, such as natural gas or oil fired boilers, with low carbon alternatives.
2.2 Before we do this, maximising the efficiency of our gas boilers will help realise cost and carbon savings in the short and medium term.
Carbon Plan Trajectory
2.3 By 2020, condensing boilers are expected to have reached around 75% market penetration. Condensing boilers already save consumers over £1 billion a year; further deployment by 2020 could save an additional £1.3 billion.
Hydrogen Storage
2.45 As hydrogen can be generated at the point of use via the electrolysis of water, hydrogen could be produced at building level, and stored until needed during peaks in demand. Stored hydrogen could then be combusted in a modified gas boiler, or converted back into electricity using a fuel cell to run electric heating systems and electrical appliances.
A Hydrogen Grid?
2.47 It may also be possible to repurpose the existing low-pressure gas distribution grid to transport hydrogen at low pressures, which could be used in modified gas boilers and hobs, and in building-level fuel cells.
5.6 Also this decade, the replacement of most of the remaining 13 million non-condensing gas boilers with high-efficiency condensing boilers will improve energy efficiency and reduce emissions.
Looks like the condensing gas boilers are not going anywhere yet.
I found this PDF on www.decc.gov.uk
"The Future of Heating:A strategic framework for low carbon heat in the UK" March 2012
http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/...t/4805-future-heating-strategic-framework.pdf
From the above:
And, while natural gas will supply the majority of our heat demand well into the 2020s, cutting emissions from buildings and industry means taking the carbon out of heat in the longer term, managing demand through energy and resource efficiency, and replacing fossil fuels with low carbon alternatives.
This does not need to be a threat.We can see this as a great opportunity for the UK; an opportunity to diversify our sources of heat, make our processes more efficient and our companies more competitive, to develop our cities and towns in sustainable ways that prepare us for a low carbon future, and to bring renewable heat into the mainstream alongside gas boilers, a market which currently sees around 1.6 million new boilers put into homes every year.
From Chapter 2: Transforming Building-Level Heating
• In the majority of UK homes and businesses, heating spaces and water means burning gas in a boiler. For some, it means burning oil, or using electric heaters. Low carbon heating offers cleaner and often more efficient alternatives which will prepare our homes and businesses for the future with sustainable and secure supplies of heat.
• While gas will supply the majority of our heat for many years to come, the change to low carbon is already beginning. Many new homes is now fitted with a heat pump, able to operate three to four times more efficiently than a gas boiler, and businesses are increasingly using heat pumps as a convenient way to both heat and cool their buildings.
• We need to start building the market for low carbon and renewable heat now, both to achieve our goal of supplying 15% of UK energy from renewables by 2020 and to deliver affordable, efficient low carbon heat in the future.
Where we need to be
2.1 By 2050, we need to remove all direct greenhouse gas emissions from heating our buildings.This is exceedingly challenging, and means that any heat generated at building level must be set on a low carbon footing by replacing fossil fuel-based heating technologies within individual buildings, such as natural gas or oil fired boilers, with low carbon alternatives.
2.2 Before we do this, maximising the efficiency of our gas boilers will help realise cost and carbon savings in the short and medium term.
Carbon Plan Trajectory
2.3 By 2020, condensing boilers are expected to have reached around 75% market penetration. Condensing boilers already save consumers over £1 billion a year; further deployment by 2020 could save an additional £1.3 billion.
Hydrogen Storage
2.45 As hydrogen can be generated at the point of use via the electrolysis of water, hydrogen could be produced at building level, and stored until needed during peaks in demand. Stored hydrogen could then be combusted in a modified gas boiler, or converted back into electricity using a fuel cell to run electric heating systems and electrical appliances.
A Hydrogen Grid?
2.47 It may also be possible to repurpose the existing low-pressure gas distribution grid to transport hydrogen at low pressures, which could be used in modified gas boilers and hobs, and in building-level fuel cells.
5.6 Also this decade, the replacement of most of the remaining 13 million non-condensing gas boilers with high-efficiency condensing boilers will improve energy efficiency and reduce emissions.
Looks like the condensing gas boilers are not going anywhere yet.
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If it's a one off build in an area where there is already gas it would (might) be possible, unless they are going to block notifications.
If it's a new estate National Grid won't be allowed to install a network.
What will we cook by? Friction?
J
jase158
I know its important, but I am bored of this thread now.
L
lame plumber
I want someone to invent domestic nuclear powered boilers, got to be the answer. After all all the energy saving lamps are full of mercury and that was banned years ago, but the government deemed it fit to push them on us!!!!!!!!!!
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I take it you dont or have never worked on nuclear power lol
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