Electrical training

[P J F PLUMBING]

Hi guys I'm having big problems getting a leccy so was thinking of just training as one the basics ect maybe changing fuse bords ect is this hard to do ?? Cheers Pete

 

[Ray Stafford]

I think that Keiran did it (Cr0ft).

One of my lads who was 10 years on the plumbing tools, and now works in our shopfitting crew did the training and got the quals, but found it very hard. At the end he is OK for small works, but we still bring in a "proper" sparks subby if its anything complicated.

 

[P J F PLUMBING]

I'm looking to do works like fuse bords electric showers ect more work ect

 

[Ray Stafford]

I thinks its like plumbing Pete.

P1ss-easy ... until something goes wrong. Then experience counts.

 

[P J F PLUMBING]

I do minor works I just want to remove the middle man and just do it myself

 

[Barry98]

Think am doing it next year instead of oil

 

[cr0ft]

Been well worth it for me. As Ray says, it's easy getting signed off to do it really. It's the same training to get fully qualified for defined scope as full scope, the only difference is your 2 assessment jobs. Change 2x consumer units and be assessed by the registration body on them and you can be a full scope electrician. Rather scary I know but that's the deal.

Like Ray says, electrics is quite easy when it goes well. When you get a call like I had the other night because the downlight connector block has melted because the customer has put a box on top of the fire hood, doesn't half scare you though!

That is the only callback I have had in 2 years of electrical work though. You don't get many callbacks at all doing electrical work, not compared to plumbing.

 

[cr0ft]

Should say, the training is quite hard, well the 2391 inspection and testing exam is. Quite a high fail rate on it. That's the one you need to sign off your own work.

 

[Killy Bing]

i will be doing it in the next few years. i like getting my teeth into everything.......
gas safe and oftec at 21
i want to be a qualified spark by 25 i hope

 

[jase158]

do u need the full qualifications? or can you just do part p course?

 

[Ermintrude]

Corgi have lower standards than a lot if the other self cert companies no need for inspection and testing ? Or so I am informed ?

 

[cr0ft]

do u need the full qualifications? or can you just do part p course?

The qualifications are the same to do both, i.e. 17th Edition Wiring Regulations certificate. The inspection and testing is the bit you either need to know how to do and how to interpret the results or do the course on it to learn it. If you are going into it with limited prior electrical experience then the 2391 is well worth doing as well as it will give you a lot more knowledge and understanding when you start charging customers!

If you just do the 17th Edition Wiring Regs and fit a consumer unit it would be like me fitting a gas boiler and because it all seems to work assuming it does basically (I don't do gas).

The only difference between defined scope (what you call part P) and full scope is the assessment jobs you show when you join NICEIC or ELECSA etc.

In other words, replace a couple of family member's consumer units, do the 17th Edition wiring regs and 2391 Inspection and Testing course and you can call yourself an electrician.

As with plumbing, in my opinion, it's the fault finding where you need the experience on the job. Installs are relatively straight forward.

It's a requirement to issue a test certificate with most electrical work, so without the 2391 or previous testing knowledge you are going to struggle to do that.

The test meter is around £600 for a decent one too and it has to be calibrated annually for around £40.

Hope this clears things up.

 

[Linkyplumb]

I was told by Brian Scadden, that 2391 not necessarily needed for registation onto a scam, sorry scheme.
As long as you have a level three qual, ie the 17th wiring regs, AND can prove you can test competently, then you will be accepted onto a scheme.

I did the 2391, as have a lot of customers who have industrial units, so a lot of three phase.

Dont think the 2391 exist now, think they split it up into initial verification, and periadic testing.

Definitely worth getting, if you think you will get the benefit out of it.
For me now it is pretty much a fifty fifty split in gas and electric work.

Good luck.

 

[Killy Bing]

The qualifications are the same to do both, i.e. 17th Edition Wiring Regulations certificate. The inspection and testing is the bit you either need to know how to do and how to interpret the results or do the course on it to learn it. If you are going into it with limited prior electrical experience then the 2391 is well worth doing as well as it will give you a lot more knowledge and understanding when you start charging customers!

If you just do the 17th Edition Wiring Regs and fit a consumer unit it would be like me fitting a gas boiler and because it all seems to work assuming it does basically (I don't do gas).

The only difference between defined scope (what you call part P) and full scope is the assessment jobs you show when you join NICEIC or ELECSA etc.

In other words, replace a couple of family member's consumer units, do the 17th Edition wiring regs and 2391 Inspection and Testing course and you can call yourself an electrician.

As with plumbing, in my opinion, it's the fault finding where you need the experience on the job. Installs are relatively straight forward.

It's a requirement to issue a test certificate with most electrical work, so without the 2391 or previous testing knowledge you are going to struggle to do that.

The test meter is around £600 for a decent one too and it has to be calibrated annually for around £40.

Hope this clears things up.

I'll come live with you, you teach me the way of the spark and ill help you get your gas safe?

*grins*

 

[Linkyplumb]

and it has to be calibrated annually for around £40.

.

If you are with ELECSA, they are happy for you to buy a calcard, at £20, and test once a month against this. As long as it is recorded for inspector to see, then no problems