Flow restriction from magnaclean/tf1

[on31ll]

Got a customer who loves to read the internet and research everything and he has asked me to fit a magnaclean to his central heating! Simple yes ! But he is saying to me he has read that the magna clean is the best for magnetic but no good for non magnetic crap ! So he wants a mangna clean and after that a tf1 fitted ! Other than flow restrictions any issues ? I have talked and talked to my hearts content about this but he is set on this !

 

[bspareltd]

I can certainly send you a free sample and if you like the filter , we will certainly let you know of a merchant that will supply this filter near you .
If you email me via the website , as soon as i have a sample available, i would be happy to send one to you .
Currently , i have about 90 free samples to send out , I will send yours out around middle of november .

 

[bspareltd]

I asked Doberman to pass my details onto Dave but nobody got back to me .

 

[LPC]

Price?

I fit Magnacleans on almost every job (sometimes TF1s for a change-up) but i've always thought 'These things are so ****ing expensive'. It baffles me that in the age of the pound shop and dirt cheap chinese ****e that someone hasn't made a Magnaclean for half the price of a Magnaclean. I mean, it's a bit of plastic and a magnet.

EDIT: And bspareltd, if you're willing to send me a sample and you're cheaper than a magnaclean, you'll have a new customer.

 

[peteheat]

Do you plan to have a similar product to the magnacleanse available?

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

I asked Doberman to pass my details onto Dave but nobody got back to me .

dave and dan are quite busy for different reasons see if i can ask again

 

[bspareltd]

The killer on price is the magnet , the rare neodymuim magnet is very expensive but even though we are manufacturing in the uk , we will be very competitive .
If you go onto the website holding page and email your details , we will send a sample out in mid november

 

[bspareltd]

Not yet but we will be doing in the future. Centramag has a similar fitting to magna clean , our next project which we have started to design is a inline filter , we would be looking to launch that hopefully in spring .

 

[Nostrum]

Great, i'd be happy to receive a sample and report back. Have you considered breakfast mornings at the merchants? Also do you do a 28mm version?

 

[bspareltd]

If you contact us through the website , I will send a sample out in november,
28mm filter will be manufactured soon but the most popular size is the 22mm version

Great, i'd be happy to receive a sample and report back. Have you considered breakfast mornings at the merchants? Also do you do a 28mm version?

 

[vern]

I have used all filters, and most have plus and minus points, ain't tried yours unable to find your site?

Big game changer will be sentinels eliminator! £69+ vat at plumbcenter, It does everything, including a valve at the bottom for emptying as the MB's etc great for sealed systems but rubbish for open vent with low head, on the SE you can open it up too to address this issue, great video on their site to how it works, double seals? only time will tell.

Had too many ceilings down or stained with MC's, their quality has gone way down and cost cutting can be seen, e.g I had an isolation valve with half of the nut missing! No spare o ring packs, white label missing off box lids regarding direction of sheath etc, eyes off the ball....plumbcenter have just increased their price on MC's also by 22%, TF1's are on offer at plumbcenter until the end of October at £55 + vat and 28mm iirc £80 + vat

good luck with yours what's the latest update?

 

[bspareltd]

When you approach a large merchants intially , they will want a introductory price for a new product .
Our product will be launched on the 1st of november , our video should be released by the end of the week , see what you think of it !!
You say the eliminator is no good for open vented systems

 

[vern]

When you approach a large merchants intially , they will want a introductory price for a new product .
Our product will be launched on the 1st of november , our video should be released by the end of the week , see what you think of it !!
You say the eliminator is no good for open vented systems

Just retread my post, poorly written sorry, no the MB is no good for open vent systems as the head is not enough to clean the mag, not that they collect much anyhow!
Eliminator will sort this as you can flush or strip out to clean for both sealed & OV systems, another thing about the eliminator is the magnet slides downwards not up as others, so you can tuck it on the return right under the boiler looks neater! Try that with a MC or TF1!
Another design problem with MB3 is customers cleaning it, without turning off the boiler or pump, or when the pump is on the overrun, I saw this 1st hand, customer slide off external magnet, pump on overrun blows crap straight back into the boiler and system!
On a filter front I am very interested in non magnetic debris capture, we have a small estate nearby with 10 year old open vent systems on 10mm non barrier pipe, which are not on manifolds but 15 mm-10 mm reducers which just block up for fun! The pipes are all behind the plaster board walls on drops, we have now done 3 houses on this estate, after numerous others have failed with power flushes which just make it worse, one lady had 2 rads off, then ended up with 6 off! The debris are fish scale in shape and are non magnetic, looks like lime scale extremely hard, we do a manual rad off flush, after first cleaning out the header tank with a wet and dry vac, or all that rubbish ends up part of the problem.
i would certainly like to see how your filter copes with this scenario

 

[bspareltd]

You would never put the sentinel eliminator right up to the boiler as there would be no access for dosing via a funnel , so you always need distance from the bottom of the boiler and the top of the filter .
But what i did notice with the eliminator on the video , the magnets are lowered but not completely taken off as the drain valve is in the way, so this would mean if you drain the filter down the magnet field would still be present and the magnetite wouldn't be discharged .
What is stopping the non-magnetic debris in the eliminator?
With my filter there are 5 dirt separators and each separator has six 4mm holes to capture non-magnetic debris .

Just retread my post, poorly written sorry, no the MB is no good for open vent systems as the head is not enough to clean the mag, not that they collect much anyhow!
Eliminator will sort this as you can flush or strip out to clean for both sealed & OV systems, another thing about the eliminator is the magnet slides downwards not up as others, so you can tuck it on the return right under the boiler looks neater! Try that with a MC or TF1!
Another design problem with MB3 is customers cleaning it, without turning off the boiler or pump, or when the pump is on the overrun, I saw this 1st hand, customer slide off external magnet, pump on overrun blows crap straight back into the boiler and system!
On a filter front I am very interested in non magnetic debris capture, we have a small estate nearby with 10 year old open vent systems on 10mm non barrier pipe, which are not on manifolds but 15 mm-10 mm reducers which just block up for fun! The pipes are all behind the plaster board walls on drops, we have now done 3 houses on this estate, after numerous others have failed with power flushes which just make it worse, one lady had 2 rads off, then ended up with 6 off! The debris are fish scale in shape and are non magnetic, looks like lime scale extremely hard, we do a manual rad off flush, after first cleaning out the header tank with a wet and dry vac, or all that rubbish ends up part of the problem.
i would certainly like to see how your filter copes with this scenario

 

[vern]

You would never put the sentinel eliminator right up to the boiler as there would be no access for dosing via a funnel , so you always need a distance from the bottom of the boiler and the top of the filter .
But what i did notice with the eliminator on the video , the magnets are lowered but not completely taken off as the drain valve is in the way, so this would mean if you drain the filter down the magnet field would still be present and the magnetite wouldn't be discharged .
What is stopping the non-magnetic debris in the eliminator?
With my filter there are 5 dirt separators and each separator has six 4mm holes to capture non-magnetic debris .

I can fit up boiler as I have a squeezable bottle with tube, so no problem.
i did not pay much attention to magnet drop, I will have a closer look as I think it can be removed completely.
Regards non magnetic debris it is spun out and falls in to a supposed low pressure zone, so stays there until cleaned, I will test one on the 4th house we are doing on the estate mentioned above.
Need to see yours really to compare.....

 

[bspareltd]

A cheap skate like me just buys a tub of inhibitor and pours using a funnel ,cheaper than the inhibitor with the squeezable bottle .
If water was forced down , would it not disturb the non magnetic debris and push it back into the system ?

I can fit up boiler as I have a squeezable bottle with tube, so no problem.
i did not pay much attention to magnet drop, I will have a closer look as I think it can be removed completely.
Regards non magnetic debris it is spun out and falls in to a supposed low pressure zone, so stays there until cleaned, I will test one on the 4th house we are doing on the estate mentioned above.
Need to see yours really to compare.....

 

[vern]

A cheap skate like me just buys a tub of inhibitor and pours using a funnel ,cheaper than the inhibitor with the squeezable bottle .
If water was forced down , would it not disturb the non magnetic debris and push it back into the system ?

No no I don't buy expensive squeezable inhibitor, I have a Fernox f1 cap off a standard bottle, drilled with a nipple and a meter of clear flexi tube, drop into where you want and gravity does the rest, with gentle squeeze, the cap is then saved for the next full bottle.....
how would it disturb the non magnetic debris? As it would have been cleaned and emptied before adding inhibitor, and anyhow the valves would be turned off also!

 

[bspareltd]

I was refering to , when the filter is working . The water would go down and with the non magnetic debris dispurse and go back into the system , I dont see anything that stops the non magnetic from going back into the system.
You commented earlier about the mb2 , similar principle.

 

[vern]

I was refering to , when the filter is working . The water would go down and with the non magnetic debris dispurse and go back into the system , I dont see anything that stops the non magnetic from going back into the system.
You commented earlier about the mb2 , similar principle.

comment was regards MB3 magnetic debris not non magnetic, have another read

i assume it works on the laws of physics.... Creates a low pressure zone due to internal chamber design no doubt with patent... The non magnetic debris drop to the bottom and stay there as they are spun out, just like a vortex in a fishpond filter but more engineered I assume?

 

[Worcester1]

I've fitted magnacleans since they first came out and have tried other similar products over the years. I am still unconvinced of the effectiveness of the magnabooster favoured by British gas but the quality of some of the fittings on the MCs is so poor IMHO the street elbows used are too hard/thick for the olives to seal to I know now I always have to tape them also the plastic thread the valves fit to are prone to threading. These issues aside I find they are definitely the most effective and it's what I have in my house. I can get a full bottle of F1 in it as well without a mess which is a bonus

 

[vern]

What stops your 4 mm holes blocking up in the separator chambers, do you have a bypass? I understand if you don't want to say

 

[vern]

I've fitted magnacleans since they first came out and have tried other similar products over the years. I am still unconvinced of the effectiveness of the magnabooster favoured by British gas but the quality of some of the fittings on the MCs is so poor IMHO the street elbows used are too hard/thick for the olives to seal to I know now I always have to tape them also the plastic thread the valves fit to are prone to threading. These issues aside I find they are definitely the most effective and it's what I have in my house. I can get a full bottle of F1 in it as well without a mess which is a bonus

I agree.... Will See how the SE 's cope, street elbows are shocking on manga cleans, had loads of lids and valves sent from MC ask for Jo if you need any.....still costs us time and reputation when the MC's leak though 2 year warranty is a joke as they don't have any engineers, so it is left to us....

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

magna clean would not send me free lid and valve o ring kits i had to buy mine not on IMHO when i fit about 3-6 magnas a month and they just put the price up???????????? with all this competition hitting them,are they mad????

 

[Worcester1]

Unfortunately their inflexible movement on warranty is the reason BG stopped using them. The ultimate answer would be a cast brass magnaclean with built in fittings

 

[vern]

magna clean would not send me free lid and valve o ring kits i had to buy mine not on IMHO when i fit about 3-6 magnas a month and they just put the price up???????????? with all this competition hitting them,are they mad????

I got through to a manager called Jo she sent via a courier 10 lids and valve kits, was last year, they have all been used now though:shocked: Adey are reading this too, they are now a marketing machine rather more than anything else, they have huge salaries to pay all the industry respective big cheeses they keep appointing, and their new premises too to pay for.

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

I got through to a manager called Jo she sent via a courier 10 lids and valve kits, was last year, they have all been used now though:shocked: Adey are reading this too, they are now a marketing machine rather more than anything else, they have huge salaries to pay all the industry respective big cheeses they keep appointing, and their new premises too to pay for.

i also spoke to jo she still made me pay i was not happy she did send 1 lid kit free i had to pay for the other 9

 

[vern]

i also spoke to jo she still made me pay i was not happy she did send 1 lid kit free i had to pay for the other 9

Looks like I won't be fitting many more, shame their magnetic performance is great, but I need a watertight filter that does both non and magnetic debris....will see how the eliminators go

 

[bspareltd]

If all the holes block up there is a bypass . Our first prototype I made ,it had sixteen 2mm and it did block up , so i redesigned the filter with a large hole and a by pass .
I put the 2nd prototype on a very dirty system and left it for a month , worked perfectly well without blockage.
Some people have there own favourite filters, you just cannot convert them .Like myself trained on baxi boilers ,i've always stick to baxi boilers , I can repair them , install them with my eyes closed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drunk:

What stops your 4 mm holes blocking up in the separator chambers, do you have a bypass? I understand if you don't want to say

 

[vern]

There is a plastic version of the spirotech mb3 released by (caleffi) altecnic dirtmagiq.
In my opinion it will not work as good because of the external magnet , covering less surface area.
Im on with my filter , hopefully on schedule to release on 1st of november 2012

If all the holes block up there is a bypass . Our first prototype I made ,it had sixteen 2mm and it did block up , so i redesigned the filter with a large hole and a by pass .
I put the 2nd prototype on a very dirty system and left it for a month , worked perfectly well without blockage.
Some people have there own favourite filters, you just cannot convert them .Like myself trained on baxi boilers ,i've always stick to baxi boilers , I can repair them , install them with my eyes closed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drunk:

I don't have any favourite filters I just need one that works on both magnetic and non magnetic debris, that does not leak and give us call backs...
keep us updated I am interested to try one, I don't mind paying either

 

[Billy Bob Bob]

If all the holes block up there is a bypass . Our first prototype I made ,it had sixteen 2mm and it did block up , so i redesigned the filter with a large hole and a by pass .
I put the 2nd prototype on a very dirty system and left it for a month , worked perfectly well without blockage.
Some people have there own favourite filters, you just cannot convert them .Like myself trained on baxi boilers ,i've always stick to baxi boilers , I can repair them , install them with my eyes closed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:drunk:

baxi,s? got my vote then well on the 105e and duotec 1 are you a ex heatteam guy?

 

[bspareltd]

I used to work for a company that contracted out to baxi ,that carried out repairs . We worked all over yorkshire carrying out baxi boiler repairs that were under warranty.:sleeping:

baxi,s? got my vote then well on the 105e and duotec 1 are you a ex heatteam guy?

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