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I didn't like her or her policies, but at least she "humped" you from the front back then, not like the weasels in politics nowadays.
unions were always on a loser, not changed much today either, you just have to look at Bob The fireman, quaffing champers and eating caviar while preaching to his members about "solidarity".
unions were always on a loser, not changed much today either, you just have to look at Bob The fireman, quaffing champers and eating caviar while preaching to his members about "solidarity".
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Or Scargill in a legal battle with NUM over his "lifetime right" to live rent free in a £1.5m london apartment.
I despise almost all the current crop - politicians, union leaders, quangocrats etc. Professional scroungers, entitlement junkies (both sorts) and two-faced, serf-serving, career liars. I didn't think anyone could be worse than Brown, but Cameron and Osbourne are giving it a damned good try.
No one should be allowed to be an MP until they have done at least 10 years real work in a proper job, not as an activist or "researcher". And if you want to be health minister, you really should have worked as a doctor or nurse, if defence secretary you should be ex-services, business secretary should be a successful businessman etc.
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Barry98
One of my claims to fame back in late 90s did a job at his bungalow in Barnsley told scragill
Ill second that! The political system needs a massive overhaul! There all as bad as each other! The never ending circle between the torys and labour is old and detrimental to the country!
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Dotty
I would have to get a proper job for 10 years!
Proper job for one year would be a start..
(Said Croppie, scuppering his chances of any more freebies.....)
She believed in her policies, however misguided and was a real politician.
She laid the foundations of the mess we are in today i.e an economy that relies on house prices to keep it bouyant and produces ziltch.
All the things that should be in public ownership like power, water and transport are run by faceless monopolies who increase prices at will.
As someone born in 1958 things were not as bad in the pre Thatcher time as some would paint it.
She laid the foundations of the mess we are in today i.e an economy that relies on house prices to keep it bouyant and produces ziltch.
All the things that should be in public ownership like power, water and transport are run by faceless monopolies who increase prices at will.
As someone born in 1958 things were not as bad in the pre Thatcher time as some would paint it.
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mountainman
A lot like it is now after Blair and Brown destroyed the British economy.
In all honesty I wish that Labour had won the last election, it would then have been their task to dig us out of the mire of their making.
And no-one else to blame.
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<memo to self> Croppie, freebies: nix, nada, njet, none, zilch, sweet fanny adams.
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Dotty
Oh poo............
3 day week....that doesn't sound too bad, 4 day weekend. Brilliant, I charge extra for weekend call outs!!
I was born in 1978, and to a working class family. My dad bought our first home thanks to some of these Tory policies at the time, and then suffered with mental interest rates, and poll tax etc later on. It's never going to be a perfect world we live in.
At least she was a character. That's a hell of a lot more than you can say for most of todays politicians.
I was born in 1978, and to a working class family. My dad bought our first home thanks to some of these Tory policies at the time, and then suffered with mental interest rates, and poll tax etc later on. It's never going to be a perfect world we live in.
At least she was a character. That's a hell of a lot more than you can say for most of todays politicians.
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Ray Stafford
Yep. Only Boris Johnson left who you could call a real character. And I can't make my mind up whether he's a genius or an idiot. I suspect its a bit of both.
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mountainman
Good old Brother Arthur, he and his ilk sealed the fate of the unions while feathering their own nests.
True Socialists until they became rich and powerful then incited their 'brothers' to strike and starve, did they follow suit, no way.
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mountainman
But of course your mortgage was £150 a month when rents were £250 then LOL
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Ray Stafford
Mine was about that - we paid £18,500 for our first flat, which was lovely until the '87 hurricane blew the roof off, and we had to move in with the in-laws. Longest 10 weeks of my life.
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Not far off but even that nearly bankrupt us,in fact if the wife hadn't been working we would definitely been out of te house after a few months.
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Guest123
That evil woman destroyed the lives of millions of ordinary working class families. Only the rich got richer and the rest of us living North of Watford were made to suffer.
A character?!!!! Satan personified more like.
Her "greatest" achievement was in fact New Labour. After she was kicked out by her own party we had Blair and Brown copying her policies. I remember both of them inviting her to no 10 for advice. Can you imagine a Labour Prime minister inviting a former Tory Prime minister to tea and asking for advice? That's what they two did and her policies lived on long after she was gone.
She is hated up here. Despised by just about everyone. There is a street party in George Square being planned to celebrate her trip to Hell. What goes around comes around and she deserves it.
A character?!!!! Satan personified more like.
Her "greatest" achievement was in fact New Labour. After she was kicked out by her own party we had Blair and Brown copying her policies. I remember both of them inviting her to no 10 for advice. Can you imagine a Labour Prime minister inviting a former Tory Prime minister to tea and asking for advice? That's what they two did and her policies lived on long after she was gone.
She is hated up here. Despised by just about everyone. There is a street party in George Square being planned to celebrate her trip to Hell. What goes around comes around and she deserves it.
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not from what ive read about the falklands era she was advised by many politicians and several military leaders not to send the task force in
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thats why labour didnt pursue forming a coalition with the liberals they knew the state we were in
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Dotty
Proving once again that the scots and politics are a futile mix.
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Ray Stafford
Hi Colin
we are all entitled to an opinion, but I couldn't let this pass, because it simply isn't true. Here are the figures, courtesy of the Office for National Statistics for median household income, adjusted for inflation. By using a median (rather than mean) it can't be affected by the rich getting richer. It shows a quite clear increase in household income across the period.
| 1979 | 13,225 |
| 1980 | 13,696 |
| 1981 | 13,910 |
| 1982 | 13,520 |
| 1983 | 13,965 |
| 1984 | 14,070 |
| 1985 | 15,017 |
| 1986 | 15,760 |
| 1987 | 16,877 |
| 1988 | 18,053 |
| 1989 | 18,290 |
| 1990 | 19,875 |
Now compare that to inflation.
Watching the program on bbc1 now on the witch! She has just said in her own words "there are those that are using violence and intimidation to impose there will on others who do not want it and it must not succeed"
But sadly the bitc h did. Oh the irony listening to them words while watching riot police beating the crap out of people!
But sadly the bitc h did. Oh the irony listening to them words while watching riot police beating the crap out of people!
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petercj
For the benefit of those who missed out on the Thatcher years due to still be a twinkle in someone's eye, Trade Unionists were an aggressive race of people who invaded Britain in the 1970's. They had strange ideas that were alien to Mrs T, for example, they used words like: "society", "solidarity", and some talked of redistributing wealth to make society fairer. No doubt you can understand why Mrs T found their language so offensive.
They were a cheeky lot, and sometimes carried banners, one of their weird beliefs was that people had a right to have a job!!!
They glowed red in the dark, and rumour had it that they were found by some people under their beds!
Had Mrs T not done battle with this race of invaders they may have taken over the county, possibly even the whole world!
Had that happened we would all now be walking around red and glowing in the dark, imagine how embarrassing that would be!
There would be little pink children running everywhere!
I hope I haven't frightened anyone by talking about these terrible dark days - please don't have nightmares.
When you go to bed tonight take a quick look under your bed, and when you see it's all clear, just say a quiet little: 'thank you' to Margaret for saving us all from the big bad unions!
Night, night - god bless!
They were a cheeky lot, and sometimes carried banners, one of their weird beliefs was that people had a right to have a job!!!
They glowed red in the dark, and rumour had it that they were found by some people under their beds!
Had Mrs T not done battle with this race of invaders they may have taken over the county, possibly even the whole world!
Had that happened we would all now be walking around red and glowing in the dark, imagine how embarrassing that would be!
There would be little pink children running everywhere!
I hope I haven't frightened anyone by talking about these terrible dark days - please don't have nightmares.
When you go to bed tonight take a quick look under your bed, and when you see it's all clear, just say a quiet little: 'thank you' to Margaret for saving us all from the big bad unions!
Night, night - god bless!
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Ray Stafford
Ha didnt see that! :32:
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Guest123
Quoting figures and percentages is a typical Tory response. The facts are despite what figures you produce, unemployment peaked at 3 million, her policies decimated whole towns, cities and destroyed communities while the rich fat cats got richer. She was a ruthless despot that wouldn't listen to anyone.
There was actually a celebration in George Square last night, such is the legacy she left.
There was actually a celebration in George Square last night, such is the legacy she left.
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Ray Stafford
So my statistics are a "typical tory responses" but your statistics are "facts"? Surely you can see the irony there Colin?
And incidentally, I am not a Tory, I am a card carrying UKIP member.
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Guest123
Yes Ray my comments about her are facts. She divided a nation and the legacy of her ruthless policies are still with us today. Blair and Brown carried the torch for her and now it's Cameron and Clegg with their "not for turning austerity policies" which are taken right out of a Thatcherite manual.
So you claim that the economy improved? It did for a while. Remember "boom and bust" and all the yuppies jumping out of windows because they'd lost their fortunes? No one who vividly remembers her 'reign' will claim thst her economic policies were a success outside London. She divided a nation, destroyed families and communities with the ruthlessness of a dictator. 350, 000 miners lost their livelihoods with nothing to replace it.
Her huge unemployment queue swallowed up the assets of North Sea oil at that time and created a divided society with large amounts of people unemployed with no prospects and the rest became a greedy 'gimme' society.
The only portrayal of Thatcher that I liked was her Spitting Image puppet. How appropriate.
So you claim that the economy improved? It did for a while. Remember "boom and bust" and all the yuppies jumping out of windows because they'd lost their fortunes? No one who vividly remembers her 'reign' will claim thst her economic policies were a success outside London. She divided a nation, destroyed families and communities with the ruthlessness of a dictator. 350, 000 miners lost their livelihoods with nothing to replace it.
Her huge unemployment queue swallowed up the assets of North Sea oil at that time and created a divided society with large amounts of people unemployed with no prospects and the rest became a greedy 'gimme' society.
The only portrayal of Thatcher that I liked was her Spitting Image puppet. How appropriate.
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I never liked her but to be fair i have not liked any since consecutive poor govt's imo
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petercj
We must remember the legacy of Thatcher ...
The privatisation of the utilities being one such example, i.e. families being ripped off for gas and electric while the companies responsible celebrate their massive profits. As a nation we have no plans for keeping energy flowing in the future, so we are now looking at buying gas from America, so anyone who feels ripped off now should brace themselves for a real rooking in the future.
We are ripped off for the water that falls from the sky, and again, while congratulating themselves on their profits the companies involved ignore essential maintenance and allow huge amounts of water to seep away. They are also ignore the need to expand storage which contributes to water shortages after a couple of weeks without rain. But so what! The imbalance in supply and demand created by their negligence means that they can charge more for the stuff that falls out of the sky, and water shortages give the companies a mandate to charge for water by the litre! How proud Mrs T must have been of these private companies for exploiting the opportunities she created for them.
Let's not forget the railways, and the mess caused by breaking up delivery of a rail service between many companies. Yes time-tables may have improved, but then increasingly, large numbers of people can no longer afford to travel by train due to continuing increase in fares. This is happening at a time when we have overcrowded and poorly maintained roads, and rapidly rising fuel costs. But hey, so what! Profit is the name of the game, so forget the bigger picture and buy some shares in these wonderful private companies doing such a splendid job following Mrs T's belief in "private is always best!"
Mrs T enabled people living in council owned property to buy and own their own homes! Surely that must be something to celebrate?
Well it was for those who bought their own homes at a discount, but the downside was that new homes were not built with the capital raised. The truth of the matter being that Mrs T didn't give two hoots about people owning their own homes, she was ideologically opposed to the State providing homes for people who couldn't afford to buy their own, and so used her home buying policy to run down the Nation's stock of housing. The growth of the private renting sector created by Mrs T has made a major contribution to the rising cost of housing over three decades. Homes in disrepair have been bought up by landlords, which has excluded many potential first time buyers who might have got a foot on the housing ladder by buying cheap and renovating through their own time and labour.
The privatisation of State provision of housing has seen Housing Benefit soar, and ironically a Tory Government has now placed a cap on the level of Housing Benefit that can be paid, meaning that in some parts of the country people are having to uproot and relocate.
Some people applaud Mrs T for "sorting out the unions" (mainly those with a vested interest in getting labour as cheap as possible), however, they forget to mourn the collateral damage on manufacturing industry caused by Mrs T's war on working people, i.e. those having enough sense to organise themselves so as to improve Health and Safety at work; to progressively improve general working conditions, and to fight for a living wage that was once (past tense) enough for the average family to buy a home, and feed their families while keeping them warm.
For anyone who thinks that conditions of service and wages improved for working people due to the altruism and good deeds of employers, I suggest doing a bit of reading re British industry, and taking a visit down to Tolpuddle in Dorset, where there is a small museum telling the story of farm workers who were deported as criminals for daring to organise themselves in an attempt to get better working conditions.
With the help of Saatchi & Saatchi at great public expense, Thatcher was able to demonise trade unionists and turn working people against each other. The knee-jerk reactions of some Trade Union leaders helped her in her task, however, many people were fighting for their jobs and their livelihoods, so little wonder if passions ran high at times. I'll never forget on a trip to Wales driving through shopping areas where shop after shop was boarded up. The impact on communities so affected by Thatcherism was devastating. Such images rarely appeared in the media, however, video of miners struggling with the police in London were shown over, and over, and over again. The same piece of footage would be regularly played to sway viewers in favour of Thatcher, and against the Unions.
Many people in Britain were (are) happy to reap the benefits achieved by the Unions over many decades, while condemning the very organisations that fought for those benefits.
BTW, I ran two businesses through the Thatcher’s years, and I've never seen any great benefit to small businesses through Thatcherism. The joke of that time was that Mrs T did a lot to create small business, i.e. you bought a large business and waited for it to shrink!
Small businesses do best when ordinary people have money in their pockets to spend.
The kind of capitalism Thatcherism supports is the kind where people with capital to invest sit on their backside and cream off a profit from the labour of others.
The current financial crisis caused by runaway Bankers was classic Thatcherism working at its uncontrolled and unfettered best,<sic> i.e. the free market reigns over all.
Rip-off Britain is a monument to Margaret Thatcher.
RIP Margaret Thatcher - "a woman whose policies made a small number of people very rich at the expense of the many, and to the abject misery of some folk".
No doubt she will be defended to the death by the Party faithful, and those in affiliated Right Wing organisations.
The privatisation of the utilities being one such example, i.e. families being ripped off for gas and electric while the companies responsible celebrate their massive profits. As a nation we have no plans for keeping energy flowing in the future, so we are now looking at buying gas from America, so anyone who feels ripped off now should brace themselves for a real rooking in the future.
We are ripped off for the water that falls from the sky, and again, while congratulating themselves on their profits the companies involved ignore essential maintenance and allow huge amounts of water to seep away. They are also ignore the need to expand storage which contributes to water shortages after a couple of weeks without rain. But so what! The imbalance in supply and demand created by their negligence means that they can charge more for the stuff that falls out of the sky, and water shortages give the companies a mandate to charge for water by the litre! How proud Mrs T must have been of these private companies for exploiting the opportunities she created for them.
Let's not forget the railways, and the mess caused by breaking up delivery of a rail service between many companies. Yes time-tables may have improved, but then increasingly, large numbers of people can no longer afford to travel by train due to continuing increase in fares. This is happening at a time when we have overcrowded and poorly maintained roads, and rapidly rising fuel costs. But hey, so what! Profit is the name of the game, so forget the bigger picture and buy some shares in these wonderful private companies doing such a splendid job following Mrs T's belief in "private is always best!"
Mrs T enabled people living in council owned property to buy and own their own homes! Surely that must be something to celebrate?
Well it was for those who bought their own homes at a discount, but the downside was that new homes were not built with the capital raised. The truth of the matter being that Mrs T didn't give two hoots about people owning their own homes, she was ideologically opposed to the State providing homes for people who couldn't afford to buy their own, and so used her home buying policy to run down the Nation's stock of housing. The growth of the private renting sector created by Mrs T has made a major contribution to the rising cost of housing over three decades. Homes in disrepair have been bought up by landlords, which has excluded many potential first time buyers who might have got a foot on the housing ladder by buying cheap and renovating through their own time and labour.
The privatisation of State provision of housing has seen Housing Benefit soar, and ironically a Tory Government has now placed a cap on the level of Housing Benefit that can be paid, meaning that in some parts of the country people are having to uproot and relocate.
Some people applaud Mrs T for "sorting out the unions" (mainly those with a vested interest in getting labour as cheap as possible), however, they forget to mourn the collateral damage on manufacturing industry caused by Mrs T's war on working people, i.e. those having enough sense to organise themselves so as to improve Health and Safety at work; to progressively improve general working conditions, and to fight for a living wage that was once (past tense) enough for the average family to buy a home, and feed their families while keeping them warm.
For anyone who thinks that conditions of service and wages improved for working people due to the altruism and good deeds of employers, I suggest doing a bit of reading re British industry, and taking a visit down to Tolpuddle in Dorset, where there is a small museum telling the story of farm workers who were deported as criminals for daring to organise themselves in an attempt to get better working conditions.
With the help of Saatchi & Saatchi at great public expense, Thatcher was able to demonise trade unionists and turn working people against each other. The knee-jerk reactions of some Trade Union leaders helped her in her task, however, many people were fighting for their jobs and their livelihoods, so little wonder if passions ran high at times. I'll never forget on a trip to Wales driving through shopping areas where shop after shop was boarded up. The impact on communities so affected by Thatcherism was devastating. Such images rarely appeared in the media, however, video of miners struggling with the police in London were shown over, and over, and over again. The same piece of footage would be regularly played to sway viewers in favour of Thatcher, and against the Unions.
Many people in Britain were (are) happy to reap the benefits achieved by the Unions over many decades, while condemning the very organisations that fought for those benefits.
BTW, I ran two businesses through the Thatcher’s years, and I've never seen any great benefit to small businesses through Thatcherism. The joke of that time was that Mrs T did a lot to create small business, i.e. you bought a large business and waited for it to shrink!
Small businesses do best when ordinary people have money in their pockets to spend.
The kind of capitalism Thatcherism supports is the kind where people with capital to invest sit on their backside and cream off a profit from the labour of others.
The current financial crisis caused by runaway Bankers was classic Thatcherism working at its uncontrolled and unfettered best,<sic> i.e. the free market reigns over all.
Rip-off Britain is a monument to Margaret Thatcher.
RIP Margaret Thatcher - "a woman whose policies made a small number of people very rich at the expense of the many, and to the abject misery of some folk".
No doubt she will be defended to the death by the Party faithful, and those in affiliated Right Wing organisations.
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kirkgas
Yes cause we all know labour SNP and lib dem MP's are all honest upright citizens haha
I'm not defending thatcher , I hate ALL POLITICIANS
I'm not defending thatcher , I hate ALL POLITICIANS
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petercj
"Politics is show-business for ugly people" - heard that on the radio the other day, thought it was quite appropriate.
The "ugly" bit being that they all blend their beliefs around Thatcherism, being the ugly side of human nature.
Party politics distracts from the bigger picture, i.e. we are in a mess, and there is no one on the political scene with the nouse to lead us out of it.
The disciples of Thatcherism just keep slashing and burning in the belief that what they have been taught will see them through.
The Lib-Dems sold out their integrity for a finger in the pie of power!
Ed Miliband has sat on the sidelines waiting for power to fall into his lap by default.
Farage is a parody of Mrs T in a suite, except she wasn't a one-trick pony like Farage. Ask him any question you like, and the answer will be framed in terms of the problems of Europe.
Protest votes used to go to the Lib Dems, then the National Front had a turn, now its UKIP and their: "blame it all on foreigners" rhetoric.
I can totally understand why the Scots and the Welsh want to get out of the claws of Westminster.
What will be left then will be the province of London, and the rest of England.
But then there's always BORIS! LOL FMO Boots!
The "ugly" bit being that they all blend their beliefs around Thatcherism, being the ugly side of human nature.
Party politics distracts from the bigger picture, i.e. we are in a mess, and there is no one on the political scene with the nouse to lead us out of it.
The disciples of Thatcherism just keep slashing and burning in the belief that what they have been taught will see them through.
The Lib-Dems sold out their integrity for a finger in the pie of power!
Ed Miliband has sat on the sidelines waiting for power to fall into his lap by default.
Farage is a parody of Mrs T in a suite, except she wasn't a one-trick pony like Farage. Ask him any question you like, and the answer will be framed in terms of the problems of Europe.
Protest votes used to go to the Lib Dems, then the National Front had a turn, now its UKIP and their: "blame it all on foreigners" rhetoric.
I can totally understand why the Scots and the Welsh want to get out of the claws of Westminster.
What will be left then will be the province of London, and the rest of England.
But then there's always BORIS! LOL FMO Boots!
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Guest123
Here's what the North are donating to dispose of her remains.
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Northern Tool Stainless Steel Meat Mixer | eBay
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petercj
Well that's finished me with sausages and anything made from mince - stone-the-crows, horse meat was bad enough!!! :-@
Extremely clever and quite funny but IMO not a good politician; not a bad one just not good enough to run the country.
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I think people also like boris as he seems to be passionate about his country and seems to care
Thatcher facts: http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-the-thatcher-myths/13236
Enough for tonight me thinks.
Enough for tonight me thinks.
Not a cance: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22078110
That mans a complete **** anyway . My old man worked for him for years
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