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I'm pretty sure my life has been saved (literally) thanks to gas safety regulations. And I need some advice please.

I've just had a gas safety inspection. The engineer was undoubtedly the most professional engineer I've ever come across. He did far more than any of the previous engineers.

It was a shock when he told me there was a substantial leak in the gas. After inspecting the gentleman asked me to come look at the gas fire. As I squatted down he said "watch this." He reached into the wall cavity and pulled out the entire pipe which extended from the wall to the fire. He asked 'what do you see?' All I saw was lots of tape. That's what I told him. 'Exactly,' he said with a searching look of incredulity. 'Who did this installation?' he asked. I told him it was the same company who had come for the past four years.

The engineer said he had never seen anything like this before. The pipe running from the mains connecting to the fire had been connected with Sellotape! There was not even threading on the pipes as one would imagine there might be to screw or bolt the pipes together. The tape had become brittle and loose around the pipe, thus causing the gas to escape.

For the past three years I have been becoming increasingly ill. I have been to my GP so many times I can't even begin to count. I have been subjected to a litany of exams, tests, and medications. The nausea was constant with vomiting sometimes lasting for days. But when I went away it got better. We couldn't figure out what or why this was happening.

You have no idea how grateful I am to the engineer who came to my home. He was a mature gentleman, unlike the extremely young people who came before, who were always in a hurry and never once to my recollection did gas leak tests, or inspections of my cooker, etc. I suppose the simple moral to this is how valuable your profession is and how essential it is to take pride in following the regulations in checking each installation thoroughly.

Over the past four weeks my medication types have reduced from nine to three - (just a blood pressure, a cholesterol, and an antibiotic tablet for a throat infection, which the GP says may also be connected to the gas!)

Has anyone here ever heard of anything like this? I'm quite angry and I've spent the past couple of years finding myself in a stupor in the mornings, fighting the most outrageous headaches and nausea, and having lost the enjoyment out of life for the past two years. I'm not feeling sorry for myself - I'm just jolly glad it's over with!

It's amazing that the past three years worth of inspections were done without the engineers ever testing the gas and actually overlooking the Sellotape which was blatantly obvious once you're down on your knees in front of the fire. The level of apathy and complacency beggars belief!

apologies for my using the forum to get this off my chest but I thought you might find it of interest.
 
Good morning all!

Again, thank you for your kind advice. I had some difficulty in signing in so I apologise for the delay. DSC00480.jpgDSC00476.jpgDSC00478.jpgDSC00479.jpg

As you can probably see I'm an amateur at using these forums. I had a few 'private' messages that...well...weren't certainly in line with the other contributions people have kindly made. Not really sure what their point was. Time wasting I suppose.

I hope these photos help. To answer your question, 'no,' there was no 'bomb' ever used. As best my recollection is last year and two years hence the men who came never once went into the kitchen to check the gas metre.

Interestingly, I received in the post yesterday an envelope, (with a large red stamp saying it had been mis-posted to Bermuda of all places...(wish that would happen to me!). It contained a document from the recent engineer covering his work and validating the fact that the gas pipe was not connected properly. There was also a note that my cooker didn't have a chain bolting it to the wall. I gather this wasn't so outrageous an infringement that my home has been closed down and my cooker confiscated...thank goodness!

I've again spoken with several neighbours and they all have stated that this year was the first time by their recollection that any gas inspection included a leak check. But I'm somewhat skeptical about this as several of them are quite elderly and often can't recall what they had for lunch.

You are very kind to have found some information regarding the possibilities of natural gas poisoning. I will read through it more thoroughly this evening. The symptomologies all appear appropriate to what I've experienced though.

Yesterday I made the first step and made an appointment to speak with a solicitor. I'm not sure where I'm headed with this. But the greatest fear, the part I'm losing sleep over is whether there are other people who have been (forgive me for using such a strong term) victimised by what has happened.

We, the general public, are ignorant to possibilities of what can happen and we trust those professionals who are sent to provide services HM government clearly sees as important enough to make a law regarding annual inspections.

As I say, no idea where I'm headed with this, but I'll keep you abreast.

Again, thank you for your kind thoughts and advice.

Fr B+
 
I thought I'd add one other thing...rather an important lesson. I read your notes about oxygen starvation. Bingo! In the sitting room, quite close to the fire, is a small white grille, which I now understand is that ever-essential spot for fresh air to come in or interior air to escape. Unbeknownst to me that it was actually there, there has been a small bookcase in front of the grille for at least ten years. I'm not sure whether that's enough to completely starve the room of air flow but I'd gather it's a start.

My daughter had a canary several years ago. It was generally happy and chirpy. Came home one afternoon and it was dead. No idea why especially considering how happy it seemed six hours earlier. Now I think I know why. That's just an aside, but again more data to suggest something was wrong.

Oh and as for the methane under the sheets story; I'm not sure that isn't a piece of lore that has been passed around for many years. I should think the poor flatulent individual would have had to be the size of the QE2 to have produced such volume necessary to effect mortality. But who knows.
 
the tape is to protect the pipe from corrosion not to seal it the solder has not run properly this may have been ok on installation but obviously leaked after and should have been spotted this is why a tightness test should be done.I have done LGS certs in the past no drop but later called out to smell of gas and the joint not soldered it was sealed with flux
 
Wazza is right. You can see on the connector the lead solder which hasn't penetrated the joint correctly.
I think the previous engineer was indugling in a little hyperbole when he said he'd never seen anything like it and it was being held together with tape.
We've all seen and heard of incidences where fittings haven't been made correctly but pass the standard tests for soundness on installation.
It seems this fitting passed the initial check and due to being wrapped with anti corrosive tape passed any subsequent tests.

That said it's still an unacceptable situation, there's been a gas leak due to bad workmanship so it should be reported to the HSE.
 
As above the photos show a solder joint wrapped against corrosion.

That said if the engineer was carrying out a full landlords safety certificate there are sections on the CP12 where he would have signed for the tightness check (at the meter) and also a box to say the ventilation was correct (ie correct size and not blocked).

How long has passed since the last certificate and this latest inspection? and who is to say it has not failed since then?
A joint like this is impossible to spot with the eye and the previous engineer would have relied solely on a tightness check.

If the air vent is the only one into the room and it was blocked then that should have been noticed but I cannot see how you can blame the previous engineer for the leak?
After all looking at the boiler it was installed 15 maybe 20 years ago and I would be very surprised if records exist saying who installed it.

My advise would be thankful it has been found and rectified and move on, don't make it into some sort of witch hunt.
 
Sorry off topic but
How can a priest have a daughter???

Not 100% bit behind on my religious doctrine (trust me not wanting to get political) but I think its only Catholic priests that can't marry and have to celebate.
 
I don't know about smelling gas, I'm beginning to smell a troll!!
 
Good evening all!

I'm so glad that I was able to share these photos with you! This has helped immeasurably! May I please ask, can you guide me to see where the old solder is on the pipe? And may I ask please, under general circumstances would there not be a nut or bolt to connect them, similar to what one might find when connecting sink fittings?
No way do I cast any blame towards anyone about the air vent.

Interestingly, I made an A4 blow-ups of the photos. It shows where not only the most recent engineer, but the engineer almost exactly a year ago placed their initials on the base of the fire. I would agree with you - these fires are frightfully old and I honestly have no recollection of anything ever being done to them. I did notice in the enlarged image that in the upper right hand corner I can see two other 'pipes' which are wrapped with a similar tape. I'm not sure what this is and whether they could possibly leak as well. I certainly doubt it because as thorough as this gentleman was he would most certainly would have noticed and inspected it.

This has been an excellent education. Again thank you. Oh and for Gray - I'm an Anglican priest. All of the pomp, none of the guilt!

Fr B+
 
Just an addendum to my last mail as leester you posted this just as I was - what is a troll?

Fr B+
 
...and here was me...all the way to the end of this thread expecting a Hollywood style climax to the story only to find there's a troll on the loose :stuart:
 
A few catholic priests do have children and these priests are ones who have converted to catholicism - they are the exception to the rule. (A catholic who becomes a priest is not allowed to marry and have children under the doctrine of the catholic church.)

Whatever the rules, all priests (in this country at least) are Christian though and worship the same God.

I go to church regularly and have met a number of priests over the years. I love winding them up by saying their job's easy as they only work one day a week - if only that were true!! It's not an easy life being a priest and I have great admiration for those who undertake this vocation - I don't think the general public has any idea of the strains and pressures of being a priest - far from an easy life but, as I understand it, it's an extremely fulfilling life and sometimes quite out of this world (if I'm allowed to use that expression!)
 
A few catholic priests do have children and these priests are ones who have converted to catholicism - they are the exception to the rule. (A catholic who becomes a priest is not allowed to marry and have children under the doctrine of the catholic church.)

Whatever the rules, all priests (in this country at least) are Christian though and worship the same God.

I go to church regularly and have met a number of priests over the years. I love winding them up by saying their job's easy as they only work one day a week - if only that were true!! It's not an easy life being a priest and I have great admiration for those who undertake this vocation - I don't think the general public has any idea of the strains and pressures of being a priest - far from an easy life but, as I understand it, it's an extremely fulfilling life and sometimes quite out of this world (if I'm allowed to use that expression!)
We have been told to keep things on topic
 
Good evening

I'm really confused. What are you referring to about the open end? I think there may be a photo of both ends of the pipe if you want me to look. And again please, what is a troll? I'm not familiar with anything related to pipes or plumbing.

Fr B+
 
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This is the only photo that shows the other end of the pipe. Apologies for not sending it earlier. I didn't think it made a difference but now looking at it I can see there's a bolt or nut on the other end. Would this make a difference?

Fr B+
 
I'm not even going to look all the way back to see who it was who first wrote to suggest that I might be a 'troll'. Yesterday someone explained to me what this meant. I didn't know whether to be offended or find it funny.

Regardless, I assure you that I am not anything of the sort. I'm indeed grateful for the information that was provided and I would imagine that even the most odious cretin would figure out, especially with the provision of photos, that my submission was sincere and with merit.

There are very few clergy who would have the inclination and particularly time to waste people's time time creating "Troll" scenarios. There are far greater issues in our world for such idiocy. Whether you believed it or not, my submission was both factual and sincere.

(Troll: "someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response")

Fr Bill+

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