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I know some people enjoy the cut and thrust of haggling, but we prefer our single, transparent, price policy.

We charge £2.45+VAT for that wash-mac tee, and are making an reasonable profit at that price. Why should it matter how much you spend? Tesco's don't give me better prices if I go there more often!

The moment that a merchant decides to maintain a discounting / multiple-pricing policy, two things unavoidably happen.

Firstly, the merchant acquires an additional overhead, because they have to employ someone to negotiate that discount, and then to administer both the discount and the inevitable cock ups

Secondly, the plumber has to spend time negotiating prices in the first place and then checking his invoices, to make sure he has been given his terms correctly. He also risks getting ripped off if he buys an item that he has not previously negotiated terms on.

Both of these add cost to the transaction - the former ends up being recovered through higher average margins, and the latter via wasted time. The plumber pays for both these additional costs.

We prefer to work out the best price that we can afford to sell an item for, and then offer it at that price to all customers. If there are economies of scale to be had, we will gain them by aggregating thousands of small customers, rather than a handful of big companies. This also has advantages of spreading risk.

We do not then have to hire salesmen to negotiate, or sales administrators to keep track of credit notes for overcharges. The saving that we make by not hiring those people goes back into either lower prices or better service. We make a reasonable profit - enough to pay our bills and invest in opening more branches.

Simples!
Have to say im not convinced by your argument.

For example - That is the exact reason you dont sell baxi because you cant negotiate a price you want based on the size of your spend.

And your presumption is that the buyer will always presume you will be the cheapest because you fly under the "trade only banner".

But the reality is, certainly in relation to boilers im my experience, that I find you simply arent close with most except a main eco elite.

Sorry this is gonna upset a few peeps but that is my observation.

Im sure you do have good prices on some bits and bobs but its not across the board. And yet you are trade only so according to your argument - why is that the case ???
I already know the answer though - your business model is a double edged sword which limits your own bargaining power because of your limited customer base.
If I was to pick 100 items i use im sure I could get 80% of them for less from others operating via a different business model.

Wooolsy can sell me one cheap because for everyone they sell me cheap - they probably sell 5 or more at higher prices to enable true trade discounts based on spend.

i.e i buy more i pay less.
 
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Have to say im not convinced by your argument.

Hi Phill. It would be funny old world if we all agreed with each other! :)

However, there are a couple of misconceptions in your post...

For example - That is the exact reason you dont sell baxi because you cant negotiate a price you want based on the size of your spend.

Nope. The reason we don't sell baxi is because in their current channel strategy, they don't want us to sell that brand so they have made the pricing unsustainable. Its a complex and quite political issue, but our spending power is now at least twice what it was when we last had a great deal on Baxi, so its not about spending power. I believe its mostly about BDR group wanting to increase the penetration of the Main brand by forcing it through certain independent merchant channels. I have no doubt that this will change at some point, and we will stock Baxi again.

And your presumption is that the buyer will always presume you will be the cheapest because you fly under the "trade only banner".

Nope. Our "trade only" policy has two rationales. Firstly, trade customers don't have to wait in line on our trade-counters or face delays on the phone while retail customers are served. Secondly, we think that tradesmen should be able to apply a margin to materials. We understand that this is very hard, particularly in these days of the internet, but just because its hard, doesn't mean we shouldn't help as best we can. Not selling retail at all is the best way that we can protect trade margins.

We don't presume customers will think anything. We just tell them the price, transparently and openly.

your business model is a double edged sword which limits your own bargaining power because of your limited customer base.

You are quite right that our business model is a double edged sword, but that is because we are open about our pricing. This makes it very easy for our competitors to price match, or just undercut us - something which they do routinely, particularly down here in the South East, where we have a strong trade-counter presence.

We know that it happens, and there is nothing we can do about it, so we don't let it worry us.

Wooolsy can sell me one cheap because for everyone they sell me cheap - they probably sell 5 or more at higher prices to enable true trade discounts based on spend.

This is spot on. And thats fine for the one in six people who negotiate those rates. But what about the 5 people who don't? Lets not kid ourselves they will all be retail - outside of bathrooms, retail is less than 10% of the UK plumbing materials market. The answer is that they make up for your cheap rate by charging 8 quid for a washing machine tee to unsuspecting tradesmen!

I'm absolutely sure you are right - that if you worked hard enough at it, you could negotiate better prices than ours on very many things. But you would have to spend quite a lot of time both negotiating, then checking your invoices, and probably shopping at multiple suppliers. To get a fair comparison, you have to consider the time you spend doing that as part of the cost of materials.

Anyway, as I said at the beginning - it would be a funny old world if we all saw things the same way.

If we ever open a branch up in Newcastle, I'll buy you a pint, and you can tell me how to run it! ;)
 
Oooh betty buy me a pint lol.
We all are businessmen as well as workers.
I may not be head of a multi million pound company - but what i do know is that it takes a stitch in time to negotiate a price - only probably seconds longer than a usual call to place an order, of which when i do its by the door ready for me to collect.

I look forward to the day - can i tell you a story or two [emoji12]
 
And the 5 people who dont get it or cant get discount are usually joe public - to which the end produce arrives 100% of the time !
 
Blimey all this over a missed cheap boiler deal on bargain day?! All seems a bit sour grapes...
 
Haha sour grapes - nope lol
Cant deny i tried my best to get a cheap vogue - who wouldnt.

But ask Ray - my private conversations regarding wanting discount for larger orders far precedes that fire sale -

And true to his word he is steadfast with his policies which while dont suit my way of business - I wholly respect..

So theres that theory outa the window APP - [emoji1]
 
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Haha sour grapes - nope lol
Cant deny i tried my best to get a cheap vogue - who wouldnt.

But ask Ray - my private conversations regarding wanting discount for larger orders far precedes that fire sale -

And true to his word he is steadfast with his policies which while dont suit my way of business - I wholly respect..

So theres that theory outa the window APP - [emoji1]

If you say so Phillip...:smug:
 
I would also like to add that i am also a previous customer of williams and for me it is in effect a mail order company (being up newcastle on tyne) of which I have found the service 1st class and friendly in every regard.
And i am positive i will deal again when the need arises and the goods are right for me and my business !!!
 
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