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Is pressure less, by some infinitesimally small amount, at the end of a pipe run, say at a tap, than at the beginning, say at the internal stopcock? Because the pressure available to push water out of the stop-cock is less than the pressure available to push the water out of the tap, because it was finite to begin with so the further away you get from the source of pressure and the greater the amount of water said pressure is trying to shift the less the effect of the pressure and so the less of the residual pressure that is left....?

And if it is - if you ran a pipe, from the stopcock, in a straight line, level for a, for argument's sake, potentially inexhaustible distance in miles - if there was sufficient water to fill this pipe all the way up until the point of exit but the pressure as the stopcock was just normal mains pressure, would you reach a point where nothing would come out the other end? Because the pressure wasn't great enough to move the water through the pipe? And is there a calculation to work out what this would be? It's much easier to think about water being pumped upwards when gravity is fighting you and the limitations there.. Just wondering if it's was in a straight line..

If this effect does exist and doesn't actually require very long distances before it can cause problems I guess it would be part of the calculations used for commercial plumbing. I only thought because there's another thread about running a pipe for an outside tap for 25metres. Made me think how long you'd have to run a pipe on mains before it was too long to work.
 
that made my laugh very very much, the thought of one of us running 25 miles of pipe, leaving one of us at one end while the other went to the start and push the water with a finger, lol

we will have to do this or this thread will never come to a conclusion!

how much does 25 miles of 22mm water weigh?

I'm in Newcastle fuzzy, where you? I think we should use plastic mind, the copper'll be nicked!!
 
were do you live, im in merseyside, ill go to my tap now and push the water, let me know if it comes out, give me 1 minute
 
Ah so the water is not fully contained fully and subject to evaporation, expansion, contraction plus its not pure water as it has chemicles in it
 
Sorry but I have to say that chemicles in swimming pools are really interesting I recall back in 1990 I was learning to scuba dive with a local BSAC club and they used to use a girls school swimming pool, anyway after a rather energetic pool session doing diver rescues I commented to one of the caretakers that I had never been in a salt water pool before. whent back a week later and the pool had been drained and fresh chlorine put in !!!!!!!!!!!
 
I could not be bothered to read all the other posts , But to the OP - pressure volume flow mass are all proportional
Pressure is force / area ie, pounds of weight over inch of area or metric equivalent.

1 pound of weight on 1 square inch is 1 psi

All you need is the mass (weight) and the pressure (force) and the density (volume) then its simples
 
your so last year quality, weve surpassed that, some bloke called reynolds got involved, it all went pear shaped then

are you up for our ukplumbingforum experiment?
 
do you have 25 mile of copper on the van?

diamondgas wants to do it in speedfit, but i think thats cheating, in fact ive decided hes a big wuss now and i o longer consider him a real plumber, psss, dont tell him

how about doing it in iron? ive got some hand dies
 
dont worry they are electric, has anyone got a 25 mile extension lead?

in fact is the power the same, more or less on a long extension lead? what are the friction losses?
 
I get the jist
The power output (work done ) will be what it is determined by the power input (work Supplied)
 
I'm not still convinced by (mainly because I don't understand half of them) the arguments given so far. So I'll modify the question..

Ingoring pumps or the nature of the force that has created the pressure, ignoring friction or other factors. Imagine there is a hyperthetical pipe potentially as long as the universe itself if need be. At one end is say 1.5 bar pressure. At the other end a tap. This pipe has no friction, it has not fluctuations of temperature. It's dead-level.

The question to which I want a yes or no answer is.....Could this pipe be long enough so the weight of the water itself to be moved by the standing pressure be so great that the pressure couldn't shift it? Yes or no people, time to vote...

*countdown music*
 
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