water help no hot water

[Burger]

I presume I can wire in a Immersion heater, I'm just trying to find the length I can use. Attached image is my tank info.

Yes you can, you’d need a 27” one. Are you ok with electrics?

 

[Burger]

We have new pump , new boiler flow switch, new 3 way valve and no luck lol

Looking at the shiote in the filter, could be stopping it. Can you take a photo of your pump (if it’s near cylinder) and 3 port layout? Just to maybe get a different perspective.

 

[jpbroad1970]

Yes you can, you’d need a 27” one. Are you ok with electrics?

Yeah I'm good with electrics, just something for temp and emergency measures like this.

 

[jpbroad1970]

Looking at the shiote in the filter, could be stopping it. Can you take a photo of your pump (if it’s near cylinder) and 3 port layout? Just to maybe get a different perspective.

Best I can get I'm afraid no David bailey

 

[Burger]

Hard to tell from that photo, but I’m unsure if that first valve on the pump is fully open? Check both are fully open (anti-clockwise). Also check your boiler thermostat is turned up.

 

[jpbroad1970]

It was all working on pump speed 2 then only on 3 now nothing . All taps are open as should be so lord only knows.

 

[Aire]

Are you getting no flow on heating and hot water or just when your calling for hot water?

 

[jpbroad1970]

Are you getting no flow on heating and hot water or just when your calling for hot water?

On both , when it was first so called repaired it all worked on pump speed 2 , but then struggled so had to be moved to 3, my thinking is it's a blockage moving around but I'm doing a lot of thinking over it all probably too much lol.

 

[Aire]

On both , when it was first so called repaired it all worked on pump speed 2 , but then struggled so had to be moved to 3, my thinking is it's a blockage moving around but I'm doing a lot of thinking over it all probably too much lol.

It could easily be an airlock after the repair. The plumber most likely drained down to some degree to change the valve so an air lock would not be uncommon. Try cycling your hot water on and off for a few minutes. Using the programmer turn the hot water on, for 10 - 20 seconds, off for 10 - 20 seconds and do this for a few minutes. You should be able to hear the water move and possible hear bubbles in the system. Other than that it could be a blockage or even a blocked cold feed/dried up f&e tank.

 

[Burger]

Did you check the boiler thermostat? And as per @Craig Watson check the f&e tank has water in it. Are there any valves where the pipes connect to the boiler?

 

[jpbroad1970]

Did you check the boiler thermostat? And as per @Craig Watson check the f&e tank has water in it. Are there any valves where the pipes connect to the boiler?

F&e tank ?

Boiler thermostat ok too

 

[Burger]

F&e tank ?

Boiler thermostat ok too

Feed and expansion (sometimes referred to as header tank), or is it a sealed system? In which case do you have correct pressure?

 

[Harvest Fields]

I am loving the position of the Adey filter.

 

[jpbroad1970]

Feed and expansion (sometimes referred to as header tank), or is it a sealed system? In which case do you have correct pressure?

I'll check f and e tank , I have no pressure gauges on boiler or anywhere else for that matter so I presume it's not a sealed system.

 

[jpbroad1970]

I have header tank and cold water tank, both full.

Also now can't get the cap off to fit Immersion heater. Omfg

 

[Harvest Fields]

I have header tank and cold water tank, both full.

Also now can't get the cap off to fit Immersion heater. Omfg

What tool are you using to try and remove it?

 

[Jones82]

Sounds like air in the system, try bleeding all radiators and any manual / automatic vent points. If no air comes out I'm afraid you'll have to hire another plumber or get the first one back, I hope you haven't paid him!

I would never leave a customer like this

 

[jpbroad1970]

What tool are you using to try and remove it?

32mm socket and wrench as that fits the blanking cap a treat

 

[jpbroad1970]

Sounds like air in the system, try bleeding all radiators and any manual / automatic vent points. If no air comes out I'm afraid you'll have to hire another plumber or get the first one back, I hope you haven't paid him!

I would never leave a customer like this

We have paid him as it was working. Albeit was only £240 but it's the time frame.

 

[Aire]

I have header tank and cold water tank, both full.

Also now can't get the cap off to fit Immersion heater. Omfg

The smaller of the 2 tanks, what was the condition of the water like, did you try pushing a screwdriver or something into the tank outlet to make sure it was clear?

 

[jpbroad1970]

The water was,is dirty. It was a bit caked up but free flowing now, rads have bled and you can tell when the pump kicks in as it increases the pressure of water coming out the rad.

 

[Aire]

What do you mean by was caked up but free flowing now?

 

[jpbroad1970]

What do you mean by was caked up but free flowing now?

It had some crusty bits just inside the outlet

 

[jpbroad1970]

I have given up , plumber booked ran out of ideas and patience.

 

[jpbroad1970]

Thanks everyone for your input, I'll post up results when mended.

 

[jpbroad1970]

Ok am I doing something wrong, this is the tap the plumber drained the water out of the system with above the boiler. In my little mind I thought if I opened that valve/tap water should come out, am I wrong do I have to open anything else. I don't want to completely drain everything down just view the water or make sure it's making it to the boiler and it's not just air pushing around.

 

[Burger]

Ok am I doing something wrong, this is the tap the plumber drained the water out of the system with above the boiler. In my little mind I thought if I opened that valve/tap water should come out, am I wrong do I have to open anything else. I don't want to completely drain everything down just view the water or make sure it's making it to the boiler and it's not just air pushing around.

Yes that’s the drain cock and is used for draining purposes.

 

[jpbroad1970]

So I should have water come out of that?

 

[Aire]

So I should have water come out of that?

Water will come out so long as the washer isn't stuck or the valve blocked. If the plumber recently used it then it should be fine. What I would do is attach a hose, open the valve and then go in the loft to check that the water level in the tank drops and refills. This will prove if the cold feed is blocked or not.

 

[jpbroad1970]

Water will come out so long as the washer isn't stuck or the valve blocked. If the plumber recently used it then it should be fine. What I would do is attach a hose, open the valve and then go in the loft to check that the water level in the tank drops and refills. This will prove if the cold feed is blocked or not.

Nothing comes out when I undo the square bit, do I have to push or press anything, it opens very easily but not even a drip out of it when square bit fully open.

 

[Aire]

Nothing comes out when I undo the square bit, do I have to push or press anything, it opens very easily but not even a drip out of it when square bit fully open.

If it was me, I'd slightly unscrew the circular nut that the square nut passes through, don't take it all out but it will allow you open the drain valve further, this can sometimes free off the washer in the valve. Be warned though, if the washer is knackered you could find the valve won't re seal. Personally I'd wait till tomorrow till shops are open to get a replacement if needed.

 

[Burger]

If it was me, I'd slightly unscrew the circular nut that the square nut passes through, don't take it all out but it will allow you open the drain valve further, this can sometimes free off the washer in the valve. Be warned though, if the washer is knackered you could find the valve won't re seal. Personally I'd wait till tomorrow till shops are open to get a replacement if needed.

I Agree with Craig, best wait til tomorrow

 

[jpbroad1970]

I've given up properly now.

That lock ring thing was quite loose.

My partner said she saw the the plumber draining water out there with hose attached with clear water running through, again in my head the colour of water in header tank how can it be running clear.

 

[jpbroad1970]

I think it's beyond my knowledge understanding. I can see how it all works but I'm not a plumber and I think it's best left to the professionals, just not the same one we had before.

Thanks again for all the advice.

 

[Burger]

Thanks again for all the advice.

No worries, it’s why we’re here. I hope you get sorted, can you let us know how you get on?