Veisman or Worcester Bosch Boiler

[Chainsawcharlie]

Hi guys, just after a little advice please.

I must be very fortunate, as I have a 28 year old Valiant VCW-GB242-EH Combi Boiler, which over the 28 years has only had minor leaks caused by the odd gasket and rubber diaphragm replacement...Fingers crossed.

I do however realise that the party may end soon, and I should be prepared to replace soon.
I guess the obvious choice would be another Valiant, given how reliable this one is, but I've been warned no boilers are made as well these days especially Valiant.

I have to admit to being a Bosch fan boy when it comes to household appliances, but I am aware they use alloy heat exchangers which I have heard should be avoided
The other boiler on my list is Veisman, as I have heard they are reliable and they use stainless steel heat exchangers.
Also there doesn't seem to be an easy route to outside for a condensate pipe, so I believe a pump could be used.

We live in a bungalow.

I would be interested in your recommendations for Boiler brand and this stainless versus Alloy exchanger debate, and is the pump system for condensate reliable.

Many thanks for reading

 

[Knappers]

Everyone has different opinions, and I tried to give an overview but there's too much to go through. So I've made it as basic as possible.

Viessmann - better boilers all around in every aspect.
lack an integrated control package Suitable for UK market and tech can be a little fiddley to get setup (best to get fitted by a 'viessmann guy').
Availability of parts is notably less than the likes of worcester, Vaillant, baxi etc.
Compared to most I'd say support is good but not up to Worcester Bosch level.

Worcester- top quality worthy of being top 4. Newer models (4000/8000) are up with the best for efficiency and style. They are heavy but (so is viessmann). Plug and play so no need to get to involved with setup of controls. They have a solid integrated control options with their 'easy control' (which I recommend). Aftersails, parts Availability and service network is imo second to none. There is an awkward gap in the new range which I guess will be filled by a 6000 range???
Basically if you want a cupboard fit over 30kw you're still looking at a Cdi compact (good but a little outdated compared to others now)

Summary- for boiler itself you'd have to choose viessmann but add in worcesters easy control and after service and it swings towards them for me. If you perceive any uncertainty in viessmann's commitment to uk market or consider that worcester boilers are designed and made specifically for UK market and our practices then I'd choose a worcester boiler (if a 4000 or 8000 fits the bill) if not and you can wait for the 6000 (if that's what it will be) then I'd wait.
That being said viessmann are bringing out controls to suit the UK soon.

I don't think the ss vs aluminium thing is an issue with worcester (altho it is with some others) as theirs are good and proven.

 

[Chainsawcharlie]

Everyone has different opinions, and I tried to give an overview but there's too much to go through. So I've made it as basic as possible.

Viessmann - better boilers all around in every aspect.
lack an integrated control package Suitable for UK market and tech can be a little fiddley to get setup (best to get fitted by a 'viessmann guy').
Availability of parts is notably less than the likes of worcester, Vaillant, baxi etc.
Compared to most I'd say support is good but not up to Worcester Bosch level.

Worcester- top quality worthy of being top 4. Newer models (4000/8000) are up with the best for efficiency and style. They are heavy but (so is viessmann). Plug and play so no need to get to involved with setup of controls. They have a solid integrated control options with their 'easy control' (which I recommend). Aftersails, parts Availability and service network is imo second to none. There is an awkward gap in the new range which I guess will be filled by a 6000 range???
Basically if you want a cupboard fit over 30kw you're still looking at a Cdi compact (good but a little outdated compared to others now)

Summary- for boiler itself you'd have to choose viessmann but add in worcesters easy control and after service and it swings towards them for me. If you perceive any uncertainty in viessmann's commitment to uk market or consider that worcester boilers are designed and made specifically for UK market and our practices then I'd choose a worcester boiler (if a 4000 or 8000 fits the bill) if not and you can wait for the 6000 (if that's what it will be) then I'd wait.
That being said viessmann are bringing out controls to suit the UK soon.

I don't think the ss vs aluminium thing is an issue with worcester (altho it is with some others) as theirs are good and proven.

Thanks mate for the detailed reply, that covers exactly what I was after. Many thanks for your time and expertise
All the best

 

[Knappers]

Don't have any issues with condense pumps

 

[Deleted member 131795]

Thanks mate for the detailed reply, that covers exactly what I was after. Many thanks for your time and expertise
All the best

hello, what did you go with in the end? i'm in a similar position deciding between these two options also!

 

[SimonG]

I wouldn't go near Worcester with somebody else's. But then I do oil.

 

[Deleted member 131795]

hi SimonG - why would you not go near Worcester?

i am getting a lot of conflicting advice about them

all the which? awards, best after care and parts availability, most popular boiler on market, etc

but then someone else will come along and say they are overpriced and go wrong more - and all the rest is just marketing!

can you elaborate?

 

[Knappers]

I wouldn't go near Worcester with somebody else's. But then I do oil.

hi SimonG - why would you not go near Worcester?

i am getting a lot of conflicting advice about them

all the which? awards, best after care and parts availability, most popular boiler on market, etc

but then someone else will come along and say they are overpriced and go wrong more - and all the rest is just marketing!

can you elaborate?

He's referring to oil boilers.
There are better options in this sector.

 

[Deleted member 131795]

He's referring to oil boilers.
There are better options in this sector.

oh, i see